Destro Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Hey everyone! My brother introduced me to this, a couple months ago. It is called on live. It is the next generation of gaming. It is just about in beta, so sign up! The website isOn Live. Check it out and tell me your thoughts. cheers, Destro EDIT: Meant to right Gaming, sorry, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swathe Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I don't think this will amount to much. I am not impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destro Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Really? I thought it looked sick. I think it will change everything. Why do you think it isn't impressive? cheers, Destro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimmer Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 It looks cool but... DRM and Bandwidth could be concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swathe Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Zimmer got it in one. DRM and bandwidth. Also unexpected crashes on either end result in paying for something you can't use. Fuck that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cykio Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Similar idea to stream my game but only dealing with the end market for selling games to people http://streammygame.com Yeah I think some console people (Sega maybe) were thinking about an idea like this when they were making the dreamcast but with computers always getting more powerful and cheaper it probably won't pay out. Also steam and, goodoldgames www.gog.com , impulse and other platform delivery services that are out atm and working fully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonen Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I recall seeing an advert many years ago about sega doing this kind of thing, I believe it was called sega channel or some shit. The concept for it is interesting but with alot of first world countries barely having half decent internet connection speeds I doubt it will fully take off. Besides as we have already learned from previous console's the one that has the highest modding potential and can play copied games usually is the console that comes out on top, PSX and XBOX come to mind. p.s: Thats one damn fugly console ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 yeah old news is old. i think maybe at first with low res games might be ok but this type of thing really wont catch on big till every one has high speed fiber or faster to their homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonen Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Well our PM has promissed us aussie folks 100mbps bandwidth over the next couple of years, so this thing may kick off down under. Thats if the ISP's don't place us on shitty low caps like they usually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webjockey Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Hmmm, Sega, Atari and EA are backing this up... Also, lets be honest, when you say "if this goes down, your paying for something you can't use" you have to bear in mind that that is a risk you have to take with all cloud computing systems and all multiplayer games. If Valve were to close up shop and their master servers went down there would be no servers for anybody in any of their games. If Someone at Microsoft accidentally tripped over a Cat5 cable and pulled it out of its socket, there might be no Xbox Live. Besides, its still in Beta, so they can figure out server loads at this point and upscale later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonen Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 lol atari and sega, well now its sure to succeed.... NOT Lets look at the track record, atari jaguar FAIL, sega dreamcast FAIL and sega saturn FAIL. it speaks for its self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vector Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Well our PM has promissed us aussie folks 100mbps bandwidth over the next couple of years, so this thing may kick off down under. Thats if the ISP's don't place us on shitty low caps like they usually do. thats why alot of isp's are trying to implement the bandwidth cap now. its not because of people using too much bandwidth, or because people are torrenting. they know that very soon everyone will be getting all of thier entertainment over the toobs. movies, tv, gaming, music, you name it. and they want to have theyre nickle & dime traps all setup ahead of time so they can charge you hundreds of dollars a month in bandwidth instead of 30-50 bucks a month for unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyzon Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 @webjockey, lol i like how you think xbox live uses 1 cat5 cable ^_^ about onlive, its only gona be beta tested in the US. Apparently they tried it with austraila and the lag was very noticable. There are alot of articles that challenge the onlive service. Theres a decent article at eurogamer but I forgot the link. If you find it, check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor512 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 the problem with this service is ping times internet connection required at all times and it has to be fast. most public wifi places will block the ports or be too slow if each user doesn't have a dedicated server (virtual servers) then if a user runs a buggy game and it sends the vm into one of those crashes where the games exe file takes up 100% cpu usage, then it will cause problems for all other users on the server if the servers have a outage, then your games wont work since the games are on their servers, you wont be able to install mods, run cheats that require to edit the icon or a cfg file to enable developer mode you don't own the games so you can be paying their service fee for months then they go out of business and you lost all of that money which could be used to just buy the games games don't come out often enough to allow for a monthly fee if they want their service to be better they need to add console games so high monthly fees, very limited control over the game, cant play a game while downloading or doing other things, cant use it on public networks that may not forward the ports, high bandwidth requirements, more of a hassle than the current DRM many years back there used to be a service that did a good job streaming games and they did it for free it was called StreamTheory while the cpu load wasn't done by them, you could start playing a 600MB game demo with you only having to download like 50MB, it loaded the game 1 area at a time, it was useful in the slow DSL days, 768k/184 if you head to a area thats not fully downloaded yet, it wouldn't let you walk in there, it did things in a way so you wouldn't be running away from something and hit a loading wall but they dies out quickly due to then needing to alter the games in a way that would allow streaming like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taulmarill Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 the problem with this service is ping times That would also be my biggest concern. Even if they figure out everything else you would get latency because your keyboard/mouse input has to travel to their servers and the image has to get back again. I don't see that kind of technology performing smoothly unless they place their servers directly at your ISP. I believe OnLive is any good not sooner than i see it in the real world outside of E³, GDC, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberation Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Wow I just found out about this OnLive thing from CO-OP Episode 104, checked it out, thought it was pretty cool, then came here and I'm quite surprised at how you guys are reacting to this. @Razor512: console games are in the service too. The console part of it is what sells me. I don't have an Xbox 360/PS3/Wii and I don't plan on buying any of them. But it really sucks wanting to play a new game that's only on ONE console, I HATE that soooo much. I can't play a really awesome game just because I decided on a different $500 system or I simply can't afford it. HFC based ISP's could run this fine, I really don't see how latency could be that huge of an issue. The hardware just has to be conf'd to JUST video rendering and controller inputs. All the heavy lifting is being done by the cloud and the broadband. I know it can take a lot for all that but it's still possible to pull it off without asking your ISP to pretty please run fiber-optics to your basement. I have a 7.5Mbit connection and I think it could handle it. Would be a LOT better to have it as a Steam type purchasing system at least. Ex. $50 for the 'console/receiver' and BUY the games online rather than a service fee. Even an option for both if someone doesn't want to pay for the system, the way ISP's do it with modems. I don't get why this is getting slammed so much when DRM is only a software implication of the hard disc type restrictions to their systems out there now. It's the same thing as buying something for your console or PC or whatever and you can still only play it on that one thing, what's the difference? Well OK, if your internet goes down then your screwed, but in the last 10 years that's only happened to me once and it was fixed in 24 hours. Moreover I don't know anyone who I play games with who doesn't have at least 10-15mbps connections, so the idea of just carying this thing around to a buddy's place sounds awesome to me. What's so bad about a service fee to play any game I want on demand. I bet half of you have an Xbox Live or WoW accounts (or both/more) that your paying every month. Why not give this a fair try? I'm definitely going to give it a go when it comes out. /me waits for the flamethrowers to come out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webjockey Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 @Shonen: Well, yes they failed, but this is more service than hardware. It is probably very easy to implement this using software on the client-side. Sega and Atari are just saying this is a good idea, and EA is one of the biggest game publishers in the world. @Lyzon: It was a hypothetical situation... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbhorrigan Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I think it looks cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-ram Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 On the website it says to run 1024x768 you need a 5mbit down/1mbit up connection (i.e. FIOS) which is only available in VERY select areas in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor512 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 many ISP's are putting steep bandwidth caps, with a 250GB cap, you can finish it in about a day at full bandwidth in many areas, isps will cap the bandwidth to 20-40GB, thats about 5 hours worth also their DRM is worst, you never own the game and if their company dies you loose your games, so you can invest hundreds into that service and when they go out of business, you loose everything network congestion can effect pings DRM is always bad though especially the kind that requires activations if the company dies, you cant activate the game you bought many DRM items install a system driver which slows your boot down you can disable them using the autoruns program many of them will change registry and other system settings and cause problems for other programs on your system streaming a game makes you loose control over the game so you cant do as much, you cant install custom mods and maps which makes multiplayer hard to do it is expensive to have a server handle all of the load so monthly fees will be high, remember a game server is easy to host, I used to host both a battlefield 2 and a star wars jedi academy server on a old PC using a amd athlon xp 2400+ overclocked and there would be no lag even with both servers in use but handling the load for a game will require a lot cpu power, memory and GPU power and will have to constantly be upgraded to keep a acceptable frame rate it will be expensive games do not come out often enough to justify a monthly fee and finding a good game is even more rare streaming a game is a ripoff it is like the idiots who spend $25 at home depot to rent a tool that only cost $30 a game is something you play more than once a service like netflix may work ok since when you get a movie, after your done watching it once, you don't really want it any more but for a game, you may end up paying like $100 to play a $20 game a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrous71988 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 It's a interesting idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashOverride Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hey everyone! My brother introduced me to this, a couple months ago. It is called on live. It is the next generation of gaming. It is just about in beta, so sign up! The website isOn Live. Check it out and tell me your thoughts. cheers, Destro EDIT: Meant to right Gaming, sorry, I hate those next gen games I meab they look verry good but the gameplay sucks I miss CS1,6 Quake3 arena red alert 2 BlackHawkDown its all so casuall you dont need to train any more + in these new game you have to shoot like 2 mag's empty untill someone die aka a halo or a battlefied The only game i like next then in GOW and UT3 For the rest its all crap!!!! iam going back play some CS and if i see one FUCKING cheater iam going to track him down and bust his computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webjockey Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I do agree with CrashOverride (Am I right in thinking thats a 'Hackers' reference, btw?) about killing people being too much effort in games like halo. But then again, I am really bad at halo :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashOverride Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Tank you and have a good night :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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