Shaun

Quiet.

Did you test those usernames and passwords digip? I just tried now and neither worked, so someone (either the creator of that video whose accounts they obviously were or someone who saw the video on YouTube) changed them.

Well, if he has an externally accessible IP then he can set up an FTP server to allow you to upload a file there. If he doesn't then he's going to have to initiate the connection, so you could set up an FTP server (or an HTTP server) and he could download it from there.

Heh, it is pretty funny that that discussion started because of a simple request to Cooper to state when he was speaking his opinion. I'd like to thank you anyway for the most interesting discussion I've had on this forum for a while, I think there has been a dearth of that here for some time.

I think for RAID1 in FreeBSD gmirror is easier than using gvinum (which is quite painful to set up).

Well I think you need to swap to CD2 if I recall correctly. Incidentally you can scroll back on the FreeBSD console if you press scroll lock.

In regard to not finding the disks, I have no idea, I've never had that problem but maybe you have just been unlucky in the model of controller you have or something. When you tried to run the LiveCD you were definitely using the correct disk, right? CD 2?

So you're actually saying that's an unbiased source, despite this?

You're joking presumably?

It's fake.

Wow, quite a poetic response. I agree that whether one accepts something as truth or not does change its place in reality (or maybe it does but that's not my argument), just I don't believe we ever know its place in reality. I don't think the inability to know right or wrong need affect the way one lives life. Regardless of its basis in reality we still perceive our own vital existence and our feelings and experiences. Even if everything we perceive is unreality, to us it appears real and we can just make the decision to enjoy life even if ultimately everything is uncertain. I don't think certainty is a necessary component of life, all we can do is rely on what we can see and feel and think as unsettling as it may be for some. An imagined reality is identical to definite reality from our own point of view, if there is no way to distinguish why should it affect the way we treat that which we perceive? Yes, there are no absolutes in our perception of reality, I think even Descartes's "cogito, ergo sum" is flawed in its implied absolutism as is my statement that we can never prove truth and everything I say in this post. If one were to take my statement as truth (heh), even to learn all untruth wouldn't allow you to know what was true or untrue even if you knew all truth. I don't think it is possible to prove it in absolute terms, even if we can prove something within our own perceived reality I don't think we can prove the reality. Proof is a function of our perception, I suppose it depends on one's perception of perceptions. I have got to stop saying perception.

Oh god, damn it VaKo, now it'll take forever for me to beat the record, I suppose it's not a great amount more than what I already had to beat (+1/-57).

Yeah, because that's the issue.

You want an proper answer? I'd take some good books.

Yeah, Scientology was created by a possibly schizophrenic guy to make money, but kind of similar and also in some cases dissimilar to how some religions have become "bastardised"—I don't know if that is the word I'd use, I'm pretty anti-organised religion so I'd prefer just "changed"; I think most of them have always been destructive in some way, but I digress—Scientology has spawned Free Zone Scientology, which has broken off from the Church of Scientology and spurns those money making and manipulative ways, which of course that means the CoS tries to fuck with them as much as possible. Anyway, the point is I don't think your description describes all of Scientology, just Scientology as it was originally intended. I still think they're all nutters though.

But it doesn't matter you do actually know the truth, because there's no way to prove that it is the truth to yourself or others, although you may convince yourself that you have. Again, I'm not saying there is no pure truth, just that it's impossible to know for sure what it is even if we are actually right in that what we believe is that pure truth. I'm talking on a pretty philosophical level here of course, it's impractical to actual live thinking like that all the time or you'll go crazy.

But you aren't extracting data from anything in this case. You aren't storing it in HTML, you are downloading a copy of the database for later use without changing its format. If one were crawling the actual Wikipedia pages and storing the data, then yes, that would be ripping.

Downloading isn't ripping.

It was pretty obvious you weren't flaming, thespy, I wouldn't have apologised. He should learn how to use Google and stop being a fucking idiot.

Isn't the main difference the 'c'?

You don't even need to rip it, the database is freely available for download.

Which nights it is on makes no difference to me. I don't really have much to add at this point, but I thought I'd chime in - maybe everyone else doesn't mind which nights they are and that's why there isn't much comment on that.

Perhaps by other Scientologists. I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean in regard to what I said. What I was trying to get across was that asking people to say when they were speaking their opinion seems like a worthless thing; I wasn't saying there is no fact, merely that what each of us sees as fact is always going to be through our own little windows, and so inevitably anything we state as fact can only be from that perspective. In that sense anything we say is our opinion since there is no way to objectively prove what is reality (any proof would be subject to the exact same distortion as what we are trying to verify as true). Since that's the case (or at least I think so) saying "this is just my opinion" is kind of redundant.

Isn't everything you say your own opinion? Even if you present it as fact, it's still your opinion of what is fact. Even if you present it as someone else's opinion, it's your opinion of what their opinion is.

I assume those first two sentences are supposed to be related, and it's only life imprisonment for using pirated software if it does the thing described in the second. I don't think the US is so crazy it'll try to give everyone who uses pirated software a life sentence. Ok, that is really just such an irrelevant and worthless comment.