Jump to content

How many CDs does it take to stop a bullet?


DarkSenay
 Share

Recommended Posts

Hate to say it man, but this is the kind of reason why I feel people shouldn't own firearms. You can babble all you want about proper safety precautions and what not, but face it, the gun(s) used here were nothing but toys.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hate to say it man, but this is the kind of reason why I feel people shouldn't own firearms. You can babble all you want about proper safety precautions and what not, but face it, the gun(s) used here were nothing but toys.

I think americans are smart enough to operate a gun mate...... or are they ;).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but i guess I would rather see people shooting at inanimate objects than innocent animals for fun (which happens more than you would think around here). And in my opinion, when used properly, guns can be used for recreation and fun. For example, skeet shooting.

If anyone needs me to explain gun safety and how it was applied behind the scenes, I would be more than happy to do so.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

shooting is a sport i have no issue with that. from where i come from shooting innocent animals is a good way to keep wheat crops.

In my experience of living in the country and city is that people in the country shoot at things other than paper targets and understand the damage and treat gun safety seriously. While in the city "it's not loaded" seems good enough.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hate to say it man, but this is the kind of reason why I feel people shouldn't own firearms. You can babble all you want about proper safety precautions and what not, but face it, the gun(s) used here were nothing but toys.

Guns can be fun, and most of the time if everyone is sensible no one gets hurt. I know this isn't the thread for it, but I cannot for the life of me see what you have against guns. If anything, I would place Britians current gun problems in the hands of a generation who have never seen guns as anything other than props for movies.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guns can be fun, and most of the time if everyone is sensible no one gets hurt. I know this isn't the thread for it, but I cannot for the life of me see what you have against guns. If anything, I would place Britians current gun problems in the hands of a generation who have never seen guns as anything other than props for movies.

You can still buy rifles and shotguns in the UK though, so that's not really the fault of anyone in particular. And if you mean hand guns I don't really see how just seeing a hand gun in real life would affect people's propensity to gun violence.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You can still buy rifles and shotguns in the UK though, so that's not really the fault of anyone in particular. And if you mean hand guns I don't really see how just seeing a hand gun in real life would affect people's propensity to gun violence.

Simple reason, they banned hand guns after a nut job who shouldn't have been issued a licsence shot up a school. Did this mean that the criminals and nut jobs with guns were suddenly unarmed or did it mean that every law abiding pistol shooter give up there guns? It certainly has done nothing to reduce gun crime in the UK, its a massive problem now compared to the early 90's. So instead of having an uncle who shoots, or knowing people who use a gun club the *only* education people get about guns is from rap videos and movies. What I am suggesting is that if people were taught gun safely at school, we might get threw to people that you do not need a gun to settle arguments in night clubs. We should teach kids that guns are dangerous and should be respected, not just hide them away and desperately pretend they don't exist. The only message kids in the UK grow up with about guns is that they are cool, no one takes 5 mins to explain to them exactly what a 9mm/nail-glued-into-a-blank round to the chest would do, look and feel like.

And no, I don't think America is a good example. The gun crime you see in America probally has far more to do with the US not doing anything to help fix the massive social problems it has amongst the poorest people there (same for the UK, just not to the same extent). And neither do I think people need AR15's or AK47's for home defense, keep that shit for the range. I just think that you cannot seriously expect to deal with a problem by sticking your fingers in year ears, closing your eyes and humming loudly. Gun regulation only effects the people who would give you there gun if asked.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You can still be a member of a gun club or shoot though... just not with hand guns. And I think regardless of what you try to teach kids about guns not being cool, they will still be cool because they are in movies an rap videos, and that won't change. I think they do realise they are dangerous and kill people, but that is one of the attractions of them. I really don't know how much gun regulation affects availability (aside from my argument in the Virginia Tech thread that it probably reduces school shootings by kids), I can't seem to find any statistics so I can't really agree or disagree with that statement. All I can find is media sensationalism, which I hate because it is absolutely useless for getting real information about the problem.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The VT incident was tragic, but given the problems the guy had I don't see how removing guns from *everyone* would help. Certainly he should have been in some kind of therapy and there should have been some kinda flag at state level saying (attention: possible nut job, no sale). A blanket gun ban wouldn't have stopped him buying knives or making some kind of bomb, but psychological intervention for someone who clearly had issues would have helped far more.

And true, you can shoot in the UK, but ultimately guns in the UK do have a stigma of criminality to them these days. What do you think would happen if a school decided to take some kids to a shooting club to have a lecture about gun safety? The parents would sue, and the Daily Wail would have another cover story denouncing the staff as monsters. But half those parents wouldn't give a shit if they found there 14yr old with a Snoop Dogg album.

Its very easy to blame guns for the things the people who use them do, but its far harder to deal with the underling social problems that lead to gun crime in the first place. Which is why people like to ignore this side of things and shout about banning guns. It is exactly the same as banning all adult entertainment to deal with child pornography.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well you can use knives, but it's a lot easier to overpower someone using a knife, and regardless of the information on the Internet on how to build a bomb, it's nothing like as easy. Remember the attempted bombings a couple of weeks after the successful ones in July 2005? All those guys managed to do is look stupid and get arrested. I think one person had an asthma attack, that was their only success.

I do agree though this is entirely a social problem, there's a reason kids on middle-class estates don't run around with guns shooting each other. The problem is poverty is a very difficult thing to eradicate, and I think doing it would require massive changes that society wouldn't really accept (not to mention how hard they would be to implement, I mean if a perfect communist system was set up, with perfect wealth distribution in theory not a single person would be below the poverty line - our country has enough money for that, but communism has inherent flaws that make it fail).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Maybe we should start running our country's for people, not profit? Crime would go down if we had real social change for the better, not just asbo's and hundreds of new crimes a year. Simple things like helping people avoid prison, not building privatized jails that run for a profit. We have a society which idolizes money and wealth, and still wonders why the poorest people steal.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thats because people don't know how to debate a topic, so they start personal attacks when faced with something they can't argue. What ever happened to people having different ideas and still being able to get along, or do we need to march in step to validate ourselves?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thats definitely true Vako, I do think debate needs to be part of the world, and right now it seems debating and politics have slipped out of all conversation and confined to the internet (tv debates of politicians are complete crap, all that happens is two guys repeat each other for an hour or two).  I think the only rule that needs to be present in politics/debate discussions is stick to the facts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think I have seen many personal attacks in gun threads on here, though. Even so, I think these kinds of arguments go nowhere, people have deeply ingrained views on what the problem is, what causes the problem and how to solve the problem which are very hard to change. I don't think debating this sort of subject has much of an effect on most people - everyone just wants what they believe is best for society and without any way to really prove or disprove a lot of those beliefs the dialogue tends to go in circles.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thats definitely true Vako, I do think debate needs to be part of the world, and right now it seems debating and politics have slipped out of all conversation and confined to the internet (tv debates of politicians are complete crap, all that happens is two guys repeat each other for an hour or two).  I think the only rule that needs to be present in politics/debate discussions is stick to the facts.

I don't really know about politics debates on TV always being crap. I think maybe that's just true in the US with moderators and 30 seconds to speak. One thing I do like about UK politics is Prime Minister's Questions, which is every week on Wednesday when Prime Minister has to answer questions (duh) from members of parliament - MPs from the opposition parties and ruling party alternately, plus the leaders of the second and third biggest parties are always entitled to a certain number of questions. Sometimes parliament does get a bit rowdy, which I think is a good thing. I think the only thing I respect Blair for is being able to defend himself well in parliament, I'd really like to see Bush in such a situation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Again, that is true. But its no reason not have the debates. At either end of the debates the extreem views are seldome right, so maybe, just maybe if the majority of people stopped listening to the extremists and worked on something that would help the majority of people we would get somewhere. Its like Sen. McCain said:

"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So did anyone like the episode?

I watched some of it via the link on digg  http://digg.com/videos/educational/Compute...uipment_Shootup

yes it looked quite cool.

shooting up computer equipment may have risks involved, but hey if no people were harmed in the production of this film, then by all means do it.

btw what does shooting up computer equipment have to do with food, or am i missing something

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The problem is, you can outlaw anything you want on paper, but if someone is bound and determined to do something, usually they can pull it off if they have no regard for their own life.

You just have to accept that in a free society, you cannot be safe 24/7 without shackling everyone up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...