r4v37t Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 How to redirect phone cell signal? Like at movie "Wargames", if that is impossible then Can we sniffing phone cell signal? In this case I need a tool how to build that hardware and where I can get information for this case. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seshan Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 How to redirect phone cell signal? Like at movie "Wargames", if that is impossible then Can we sniffing phone cell signal? In this case I need a tool how to build that hardware and where I can get information for this case. Regards. Sorry to tell you this but Wargames is a movie based on fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easycheese13 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 First off if we are talking about Carriers such at Att and Tmo they use GSM and its Encrypted. There has been a group that is working on creating a rainbow table for GSM so you maybe inluck there. Also you can get a GNU radio, and get a GSM daughter card, setup will run about 800 bucks that will let you scan the 850 ban i believe. At that point you could use wireshark to scan with the Radio, but once again the traffic for the most part is encrypted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4v37t Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sorry to tell you this but Wargames is a movie based on fiction. Yes, that movie is based on fiction but i think it's possible to do. In sniffing may be can, but I don't know is it possible make phone cell signal redirecting? First off if we are talking about Carriers such at Att and Tmo they use GSM and its Encrypted. There has been a group that is working on creating a rainbow table for GSM so you maybe inluck there. Also you can get a GNU radio, and get a GSM daughter card, setup will run about 800 bucks that will let you scan the 850 ban i believe. At that point you could use wireshark to scan with the Radio, but once again the traffic for the most part is encrypted Sure, that GSM signal is encrypted. But how to make that hardware to sniff that signal and what is the require to make this? I don't want buy this hardware even is it available, but I want built it by my self with low cost. (this it I need one the another is software where is connected with this hardware) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yes, that movie is based on fiction but i think it's possible to do. In sniffing may be can, but I don't know is it possible make phone cell signal redirecting? If you think it's true, it must be! Well, physical signal redirection is impossible, however, I believe you are referring to some thing else similar to that of packet routing. Depending on network implementation this may also be impossible. The most realistic possible method would be to clone a phone but change it's network identification, then have another phone that uses the original identification forward all traffic to the cloned phone. It's very unlikely that the phone network would allow this to work. Stop living in a world of fiction, btw my IP address is 422.639.357.936, have at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4v37t Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 If so, what about the 2.4 GHz signal? That is a radio signal that can be captured by using wireless devices. If this is true can not be done, where I can learn about this cell phone signal? btw, I'm doing this just for my thesis material later. or maybe can give me advice for the title of my thesis later ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Are you referring to ARP poisoning over wireless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seshan Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 If so, what about the 2.4 GHz signal? That is a radio signal that can be captured by using wireless devices. If this is true can not be done, where I can learn about this cell phone signal? btw, I'm doing this just for my thesis material later. or maybe can give me advice for the title of my thesis later ;-) http://tinyurl.com/dzxdnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4v37t Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 ARP poisoning and sniffing. But for a while I refer to sniffing first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 ARP poisoning only works with a 'normal' computer network because the underlying protocol (ARP) has no accommodation for security. The chances of the mobile phone network using such a unsecure-able and, frankly, unreliable* protocol is unlikely. It is far more likely that the transceiver towers keep a track of what phones are attached to them and keep a central location notified of there associations. *On a mobile phone network, with hundreds of devices per transceiver tower, it would completely fall over generating more traffic than there would be actual data on the network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4v37t Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 ARP poisoning only works with a 'normal' computer network because the underlying protocol (ARP) has no accommodation for security. The chances of the mobile phone network using such a unsecure-able and, frankly, unreliable* protocol is unlikely. It is far more likely that the transceiver towers keep a track of what phones are attached to them and keep a central location notified of there associations. *On a mobile phone network, with hundreds of devices per transceiver tower, it would completely fall over generating more traffic than there would be actual data on the network. What about the cell phone signal booster? Could it be sniffing equipment for mobile phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 To have any thing that is usable you need a 800MHz to 2000MHz receiver, preferably USB of course. I recall one was mentioned possibly on the show, can't remember when, a month or two ago. You also need to remember that transmitting any thing in this range without an <insert government regulatory body name here> approved device is rather illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry99705 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 To have any thing that is usable you need a 800MHz to 2000MHz receiver, preferably USB of course. I recall one was mentioned possibly on the show, can't remember when, a month or two ago. You also need to remember that transmitting any thing in this range without an <insert government regulatory body name here> approved device is rather illegal. I'm also pretty sure the cell towers can find and triangulate such devices fairly quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coedshowers Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 about the being able to triangulate maybe they can.. maybe not i "might know someone" who has used a cell phone jammer for like 3 yrs at least once or twice a month to go to the movies and not have to see cell phone screen from the punk ass kids pop up all the time... i mean just maybe :x cell jammer = $50-$200 the "person" i know who uses it definitely has gotten the money out of it.. they also have gps jammers, wifi, bluetooth and wireless camera's. its all abut flooding the air waves i'm told :x this one jap guy i met at CES showed me a catalog where he had "400mhz and 800mhz" listeners.. i asked him what 400mhz was he told me alot of law enforcement use 400mhz and 800 was a cell.. so you might just search some jap online stores or all the lil venders above the porn show at CES jan6-10 vegas etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beakmyn Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Around here the sheriff's and ambulances are in the 360MHz range. However a lot of law enforcement is now using digital trunked systems or switching over. So, you'd need a receiver that's cable of understanding the trunking signal. We don't call them receivers or listeners though, here they're called scanners and you can buy them at any Radio Shack. There's It's the same with cellular, there's not much analog cellular anymore. Hams also have portions of the band 420-426 Fast scan TV 426-432 Fast scan TV 432-432.125 CW 432.125-433 satellite 433 - 435 - FM simplex 435-438 satellite 438-442 fast scan TV 442-445 FM repeater 445-447 FM simplex 447-450 FM repeater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4v37t Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Please teach me more or you can tell me where I can get that information, I need this information for my thesis. regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1472 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1qu1D Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Lol, why don't you just ask Kevin Mitnick? He evaded the FBI for years with cell phone cloning. Maybe he would know of "Cell phone redirecting." :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H@L0_F00 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 GSM A5/1 encryption cracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetwork Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 One thing that should also be mentioned that ANY tampering with GSM or any cell signal is a federal offense. They are monitoring such things considering that GSM has been cracked (I.E. this is why the GSM cracking was done in Germany where it isn't illegal to do it, nor is there any guarantees that it will work in the US). All the moble broadband carriers such as ATT verizon and the like monitor the CSID IMEI and the ICCID of the phones and can detect when one is cloned over the other. Considering that most phones these days have GPS push devices embedded into them it will be an easy matter for a 3 letter agency (Read FBI) to find you damn fast Cell jammers just blanket the known phone spectrum's with white noise so signals get lost but do nothing for redirection or cloning Anything is possible with a fair bit of know how and money but the question is......is a federal wire charge and time in Leavenworth or butler pen worth it? Side note...Mitnick did this back in the early 80's when cells were mostly analog and by comparison to the digital world of today an easy hack considering. I would love for him to try the same thing that he did back in the day today and see if he gets away with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Listening to mobile phone communications is very hard (on the border of impossible) to detect using any system. The only method that would prevent it is continues searches of every where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I would love for him to try the same thing that he did back in the day today and see if he gets away with itI thinlk if he was doing it today, he would not only be getting away with it, but he probably wouldn't be telling anyone about it either, given his "experience" in this area, he knows how to stay out of prison at this point - dont get caught! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unasoto Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I'm wondering with all the android phones out and being jailbroke will we see software mods of programs like wireshark, ethereal, nmap that access the phone network. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 wireshark has supported capturing of mobile phone signals for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ Creating your own GSM network and sending calls over a Asterisk PBX. If a phone see's your base station first it can connect to/through it, you could then record it using the built in features in Asterisk, I'm sure. Once a phone is connected to your base station, you could do just about anything you want including redirecting it to whom ever you feel like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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