VaKo Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Comment No more backups, or TivoBy Charlie Demerjian: Thursday 21 September 2006, 10:08 THINK DRM WAS bad already? Think I was joking when I said the plan was to start with barely tolerable incursions on your rights, then turn the thumbscrews? Welcome to Windows Media Player 11, and the rights get chipped away a lot more. Get used to the feeling, if you buy DRM infected media, you will only have this happen with increasing rapidity. One of the problems with WiMP11 is licensing and backing it up. If you buy media with DRM infections, you can't move the files from PC to PC, or at least you can't and have them play on the new box. If you want the grand privilege of moving that content, you need to get the approval of the content mafia, sign your life away, and use the tools they give you. If you want to do it in other ways, you are either a lawbreaker or following the advice of J Allard. Wait, same thing. So, in WiMP10, you just backed up your licenses, and stored them in a safe place. Buying DRM infections gets you a bunch of bits and a promise not to sue, but really nothing more. The content mafia will do anything in its power, from buying government to rootkitting you in order to protect those bits, and backing them up leaves a minor loophole while affording the user a whole lot of protection. Guess which one wins, minor loophole or major consumer rights? Yes, WiMP11 will no longer allow you the privilege of backing up your licenses, they are tied to a single device, and if you lose it, you are really SOL. Remember that feeling I mentioned earlier? This is nothing less than a civil rights coup, and most people are dumb enough to let it happen. Read the links, the entire page is scary as hell, but the licensing part takes the cake. "Windows Media Player 11 does not permit you to back up your media usage rights (previously known as licenses)", Wow, new terminology, old idea, you are a wallet with legs waiting to be raped. "The store might limit the number of times that you can restore your rights or limit the number of computers on which can use the songs or videos that you obtain from them. Some stores do not permit you to restore media usage rights at all." Translation, not our problem, and get bent, we got your cash. But it gets worse. If you rip your own CDs, WiMP11 will take your rights away too. If the 'Copy protect music' option is turned on, well, I can't top their 1984 wording. "If the file is a song you ripped from a CD with the Copy protect music option turned on, you might be able to restore your usage rights by playing the file. You will be prompted to connect to a Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited number of times." This says to me it will keep track of your ripping externally, and remove your rights whether or not you ask it to. Can you think of a reason you would need to connect to MS for permission to play the songs you ripped from you own CDs? How long do you think it will be before a service pack, masquerading as a 'critical security patch' takes away the optional part of the 'copy protection'? Now do you understand why they have been testing the waters on WiMP phoning home? Think their firewall will stop it even if you ask? Then when you go down on the page a bit, it goes on to show that it guts Tivo capabilities. After three days, it kills your recordings for you, how thoughtful of them. Going away for a week? Tough, your rights are inconvenient to their profits, so they have to go. "Recorded TV shows that are protected with media usage rights, such as some TV content recorded on premium channels, will not play back after 3 days when Windows Media Player 11 Beta 2 for Windows XP is installed on Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005. No known workaround to resolve this issue exists at this time." Workaround my *ss, this is wholesale rights removal by design. What WiMP11 represents is one of the biggest thefts of your rights that I can think of. MS planned this, pushed the various pieces slowly, and this is the first big hammer to drop. Your rights, the promises they made, and anything else that gets in the way of the content mafia making yet more money gets thrown out. Why? Greed. Your rights? History. You were dumb enough to let it happen, don't say I didn't warn you. µ http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34523 Kinda reminded me of the time a mates band recorded some songs, and could only export the final mastered version as a WMA for some confusing reason involving pirates and a torrent of bits. A few weeks later, the guitarist goes to play me there new songs, and is told that he didn't own a liscene for playing this media... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevronX Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Doesnt affect me I use VLC for Movies and Winamp for music, but still dumb, alot like Amazons new Video seller, where they can remotly delete the videos you download off Amazon straight from your computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softdel Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 excuse me here but, jesus, bollo@@ing, s@ite! Who in fu@kville do they think they are? Soon you'll see them banning open source because its freely available! Christ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Ogg Vorbis and Theora ftw! The only true open audio and video formats. (Where is my Ogg player?!) ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garda Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Ogg Vorbis and Theora ftw! The only true open audio and video formats. (Where is my Ogg player?!) ;) only problem. nobody, and i mean NOBODY supports ogg. sure, there's linux, but that's about it virtually no video players or software around supports theora it's unfortunate, but that's the way it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
take it take Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 What a terrible business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softdel Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I agree, its our duty to bring these formats back into use...I use OOG myself for editing, but it always ends up, somewhere in MP3 format...Who's ever herd of an OOG player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jool Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Kinda reminded me of the time a mates band recorded some songs, and could only export the final mastered version as a WMA for some confusing reason involving pirates and a torrent of bits. A few weeks later, the guitarist goes to play me there new songs, and is told that he didn't own a liscene for playing this media... Friends don't let friends use DRM. What a terrible business model. Actually forcing the customers to re-buy everything at regular intervals is an excellent business model. It doesn't really matter if it is an Evil Thing or not as long as people go along with it. And for the OGG playback, pick a player from Cowon since they make excellent devices that plays lots of formats including OGG and FLAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
take it take Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I agree, its our duty to bring these formats back into use...I use OOG myself for editing, but it always ends up, somewhere in MP3 format...Who's ever herd of an OOG player? I've heard of OGG, but not OOG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLSS Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Ogg Vorbis and Theora ftw! The only true open audio and video formats. (Where is my Ogg player?!) ;) only problem. nobody, and i mean NOBODY supports ogg. sure, there's linux, but that's about it virtually no video players or software around supports theora it's unfortunate, but that's the way it is some of the good w4r3z anime uses a opensource video format .... (and tend to come with 3-5-8 subtitles streamed in to it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Ogg Vorbis and Theora ftw! The only true open audio and video formats. (Where is my Ogg player?!) ;) only problem. nobody, and i mean NOBODY supports ogg. sure, there's linux, but that's about it virtually no video players or software around supports theora it's unfortunate, but that's the way it is checkout http://www.vorbis.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
univrsltransl8r Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Ogg Vorbis and Theora ftw! The only true open audio and video formats. (Where is my Ogg player?!) ;) You beat me to it!1 Well, I still use MP3. I have only hatred now for wma, wmv, or anything that starts with wm* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartain X Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 that's why i prefer open format's that are implemented freely, because of this i use VLC and Mplayer and btw ogg is supported by many third party firmwares for mp3 player (check out the rocks box project) and i have eheard that iriver supports it natively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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