metatron Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I'm getting three to four hours easy on my macbook. Which is about average. However where it really kicks in is the standby which allows you to close the computer really really quickly compared to other pcs. They do scratch easily but I don't think your gonna get mugged and they don't break easily in my opinion either. However I do agree with you it is a waste if ALL you are gonna do is use it for security testing. If you use it for regular use and just a little security testing on the side its perfect. Also most computers do not come with PCMCIA cards anymore. Ultra potable laptops from companies like Lenovo are far more suitable for real work away from the office/home when battery life is a must. I like Apple products and I like Apple laptops, but they don’t make good work laptops unless you need it for a hand full of pieces of software for audio/ video production, and even then I think the only area Apple truly excel in is the audio production field. The only things I run on my Mac are: • Photoshop (Available for Windows or use GIMP on Linux) • Apple Logic Pro (You could use Jokosher on Linux but it’s not as good or SONAR on Windows.) • Pro Tool (You could use Jokosher on Linux but it’s not as good or SONAR on Windows.) • Final Cut Pro (You could used Cinelerra, Kino or Jahshaka on Linux or Sony Vegas or my new favourite Avid Xpress Pro on Windows) • I also run a lot of Linux apps. Other then maybe Quark there is no other reason to by a Mac and even then there are good alternatives. The only reason I can see for buying a Mac is for Audio production as there really isn’t much that can compare with all things Pro Tools. 95% of people mainly buy Mac’s because they like the way they look, they have no intention of doing anything productive with them as most are only a little bit more intelligent then an amoeba. Mac’s are over priced toys for most people and there’s nothing wrong with buying yourself a toy, but most people that own a Mac don’t own any software that makes them worthwhile they just use the shitty stuff it comes with and some other pieces that Apple shits out. I know I don’t sound overly Apple supportive but in truth I have nothing against Apple as a whole, I just dislike the smug wanker users, that cry like a little bitch whenever someone say anything remotely negative about there precious product and the douche bag twat which is Steve Jobs. .................End Rant........................................................................... Also most computers do not come with PCMCIA cards anymore. If you’re going to be doing security testing, it helps if you have a good hi power wireless card with native support so PCMCIA support is a must until a good alternative becomes available. (It’s hard to find a laptop that will support two devices anymore but there are still a lot that support one device) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDesi Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I'm getting three to four hours easy on my macbook. Which is about average. However where it really kicks in is the standby which allows you to close the computer really really quickly compared to other pcs. They do scratch easily but I don't think your gonna get mugged and they don't break easily in my opinion either. However I do agree with you it is a waste if ALL you are gonna do is use it for security testing. If you use it for regular use and just a little security testing on the side its perfect. Also most computers do not come with PCMCIA cards anymore. Ultra potable laptops from companies like Lenovo are far more suitable for real work away from the office/home when battery life is a must. I like Apple products and I like Apple laptops, but they don’t make good work laptops unless you need it for a hand full of pieces of software for audio/ video production, and even then I think the only area Apple truly excel in is the audio production field. The only things I run on my Mac are: • Photoshop (Available for Windows or use GIMP on Linux) • Apple Logic Pro (You could use Jokosher on Linux but it’s not as good or SONAR on Windows.) • Pro Tool (You could use Jokosher on Linux but it’s not as good or SONAR on Windows.) • Final Cut Pro (You could used Cinelerra, Kino or Jahshaka on Linux or Sony Vegas or my new favourite Avid Xpress Pro on Windows) • I also run a lot of Linux apps. Other then maybe Quark there is no other reason to by a Mac and even then there are good alternatives. The only reason I can see for buying a Mac is for Audio production as there really isn’t much that can compare with all things Pro Tools. 95% of people mainly buy Mac’s because they like the way they look, they have no intention of doing anything productive with them as most are only a little bit more intelligent then an amoeba. Mac’s are over priced toys for most people and there’s nothing wrong with buying yourself a toy, but most people that own a Mac don’t own any software that makes them worthwhile they just use the shitty stuff it comes with and some other pieces that Apple shits out. I know I don’t sound overly Apple supportive but in truth I have nothing against Apple as a whole, I just dislike the smug wanker users, that cry like a little bitch whenever someone say anything remotely negative about there precious product and the douche bag twat which is Steve Jobs. .................End Rant........................................................................... Also most computers do not come with PCMCIA cards anymore. If you’re going to be doing security testing, it helps if you have a good hi power wireless card with native support so PCMCIA support is a must until a good alternative becomes available. (It’s hard to find a laptop that will support two devices anymore but there are still a lot that support one device) I understand your point about people not using it efficiently but then again that doesn't mean that the actual computer is not efficient its just the people that are not. For my Mac I think quicksilver and most of the open source applications that are available for Macs are just as good as what is on linux if not better. Plus you can run the majority of linux applications anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 ...and the douche bag twat which is Steve Jobs....QFE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferret Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 My point is that sure I can read instructions and get anything to work(as long as the hardware will be nice) but why not use a distro that gets the stuff working without wasting your time. I have to run my business 7 days a week, take care of a really needy girlfriend, watch hockey and read tons of computer books. I don't have the time it takes to get every linux system working. I will just use my Knoppix disks and use mepis and ubuntu my macbook and my windows vista and xp computers. Linux guys love to act like what they are using is so complicated that you need to be an elite user to comprehend it. Anyone that can read can learn anything. But you have to have enough time to learn instead of wasting complete days on getting the stuff to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Ubuntu is catching shit from the hard core who think, that because it's designed to work out of the box, that it's insecure and for a linux box it probably is, but the other alternative is windows, that mostly works out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDesi Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 My point is that sure I can read instructions and get anything to work(as long as the hardware will be nice) but why not use a distro that gets the stuff working without wasting your time. I have to run my business 7 days a week, take care of a really needy girlfriend, watch hockey and read tons of computer books. I don't have the time it takes to get every linux system working. I will just use my Knoppix disks and use mepis and ubuntu my macbook and my windows vista and xp computers. Linux guys love to act like what they are using is so complicated that you need to be an elite user to comprehend it. Anyone that can read can learn anything. But you have to have enough time to learn instead of wasting complete days on getting the stuff to work. Exactly. It is the Linux community that is really annoying me more than the operating system. Some of them only want to use LInux to be different. On top of that Linux cannot work in a business model there just isn't enough money given to coders in Linux. Its great for a hobby operating system but in reality Mac OS X and Linux will always remain on top. They are so worried about computer ethics and that everything should be free and stuff that its gotten extremely annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Look at SLED/SLES and RHEL then. Seem to work quite nicely as a business. And FreeBSD actually comes with an entire manual, which is useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I disagree with closed kernel modules mainly because Linux should be completely open source, where you can modify and republish anything you want. By using closed kernel modules you help to removing the pressure on vendors. As far as I’m concerned I don’t care if it’s hard to install or you find it hard to get hardware working if it means not corrupting the principles that founded Linux. If you can’t get it to work then use Windows. I would sooner see Linux remain an operating system for servers where only IT professionals and intelligent people are catered for. The server side of the business has been working for years and should remain working for many years to come, by getting involved in the desktop market and trying to compete with OS’s that are designed for the common user you affect the future of Linux. Sometimes you don’t need or want to cater for the lowest common denominator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 BSD also has a very strong position in the business world. Every time I go to a con or business event, I usually get into conversations over a pint or coffee about what peoples corporate networks are like and most people will have at least one box running OpenBSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WiFi Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I just bought a late 2008 MacBook and it is great with Backtrack! I have never had much luck with running different OS on PC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry99705 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I just bought a late 2008 MacBook and it is great with Backtrack! I have never had much luck with running different OS on PC's. You do know this was a 6 year old thread, and backtrack is no longer in development right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbi3 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Think pad 4 life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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