DingleBerries Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 This is for informational purposes only. Do not try to commit any crime with this information. This is a valuable tool for genealogy, tracking down ancestors state of birth, crime investigation, tracking down state of birth, and showing your friends a neat trick. All information is in the public domain, see links at the end. SSN# Layout XXX-XX-XXXX * The first set of three digits is called the Area Number * The second set of two digits is called the Group Number * The final set of four digits is the Serial Number Uno The first three digits denote the area where the application for an original Social Security number was filed. See my super awesome map below. Possible Combintations for these 1st three numbers? 001-003+261-267+449-467+1+004-007+589-595+627-645+1+008-009+766-772+468-477+531-539+010-034+268- 302+478-485+540-544+035-039+303-317+486-500+545-573+040-049+318-361+501-502+602-626+050-134+362-386+ 503-504+1+135-158+387-399+505-508+575-576+159-211+400-407+509-515+1+212-220+408-415+516-517+1+221-222 +756-763+518-519+577-579+223-231+416-424+1+1+691-699+425-428+521-524+580-584+232-236+1+650-653+596-599 +1+1+525-585+1+237-246+752-755+648-649+1+681-690+429-432+526-527+1+247-251+676-679+600-601+700-728+654 -658+433-439+764-765+729-733+252-260+659-665+528-529+667-675+440-448+646-647 Codes in Plain Text 001-003 NH 400-407 KY 530 NV 004-007 ME 408-415 TN 531-539 WA 008-009 VT 416-424 AL 540-544 OR 010-034 MA 425-428 MS 545-573 CA 035-039 RI 429-432 AR 574 AK 040-049 CT 433-439 LA 575-576 HI 050-134 NY 440-448 OK 577-579 DC 135-158 NJ 449-467 TX 580 VI Virgin Islands 159-211 PA 468-477 MN 581-584 PR Puerto Rico 212-220 MD 478-485 IA 585 NM 221-222 DE 486-500 MO 586 PI Pacific Islands* 223-231 VA 501-502 ND 587-588 MS 232-236 WV 503-504 SD 589-595 FL 237-246 NC 505-508 NE 596-599 PR Puerto Rico 247-251 SC 509-515 KS 600-601 AZ 252-260 GA 516-517 MT 602-626 CA 261-267 FL 518-519 ID 627-645 TX 268-302 OH 520 WY 646-647 UT 303-317 IN 521-524 CO 648-649 NM 318-361 IL 525 NM *Guam, American Samoa, 362-386 MI 526-527 AZ Philippine Islands, 387-399 WI 528-529 UT Northern Mariana Islands 650-699 unassigned, for future use 700-728 Railroad workers through 1963, then discontinued 729-799 unassigned, for future use 800-999 not valid SSNs. Some sources have claimed that numbers above 900 were used when some state programs were converted to federal control, but current SSA documents claim no numbers above 799 have ever been used. The Deuce The middle two digits range from 01 to 99 but are not assigned in consecutive order. For administrative reasons, group numbers issued first consist of the ODD numbers from 01 through 09 and then EVEN numbers from 10 through 98, within each area number allocated to a State. ODD - 01, 03, 05, 07, 09 --- EVEN - 10 to 98 EVEN - 02, 04, 06, 08 --- ODD - 11 to 99 Decoding SSN Links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security_number http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnvhighgroup.htm http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnvs/highgroup.txt http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/ssn/misused.html http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/ssa.cf...php?p_faqid=149 http://www.ntis.gov/products/ssa-dmf.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingleBerries Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 Theory Its late and i dont want do do math, but i will be generous and say theres 1billion possible SSN, now subtract that from the ones you can no longer use, most of which are posted in last links, and now we are talking about a couple million possibilities knocked out. So how secure are SSN numbers? Computers can go threw that data extremely fast and calculate ALL possible SSNs available and yet to be available. I think its time we moved past a bar code and start using random number generators and salted hashs. Equation A=total number of possible combinations for 1st digits B=total number of possible combinations for 2nd digits C=total number of possible combinations for 3rd digits D=total number used for advertising and voided to public knowledge E=total posted by kin of a dead person A*B*C=X-(D=E)=XXX SSN Available XXX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr0p Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Theory Its late and i dont want do do math, but i will be generous and say theres 1billion possible SSN, now subtract that from the ones you can no longer use, most of which are posted in last links, and now we are talking about a couple million possibilities knocked out. So how secure are SSN numbers? Computers can go threw that data extremely fast and calculate ALL possible SSNs available and yet to be available. I think its time we moved past a bar code and start using random number generators and salted hashs. Equation A=total number of possible combinations for 1st digits B=total number of possible combinations for 2nd digits C=total number of possible combinations for 3rd digits D=total number used for advertising and voided to public knowledge E=total posted by kin of a dead person A*B*C=X-(D=E)=XXX SSN Available XXX Good theory, but a hash is a lot harder for people to memorize than hashes, which imo is the only real reason we still use the same system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 We only use the system because our government is too lazy to design a more secure one. 2600 did an aticle on SS#'s many years ago. I can't remember what issue, but the same information has been around as long as the SS system itself. It's reasonable to think these numbers get reused as well too, as there are only so many in use and so many people who will die, leaving the number to be used by someone else eventually. I wouldn't doubt the possibility of two people living with the same number. If the number goes to 999-99-9999 (WHich if they used a numnber 000-00-0000, then that is 1 added to the mix) then you get 1,000,000,000 possibilities. But since you claim it never has gone above 799 which would be 799,999,999 million possibilities. But by state, we have only used up to 649. Then subtract 650-699 which are sreserved. Then subtract 700-728 for the railroad workers and 729-799 for reserved, you only get 649,000,000 thousand. I think we have many more people living in the US right now than 649,000,000. So, how does this system really identify you? The IRS and our government can't really track everyone by the SSN alone? Think about it. Why assign us a Drivers License Number if all we need is a SSN to track us. There are many methods the government uses to track us, and SSN assignment is just one, although flawed, method. DL#, Your address, DOB, credit reports, phone number, YOUR NAME, etc, etc. These all help them identify you by grouping data into files on each person. I know this shit gets messed up too, because on my credit report, it claims I have owned a house since 1979(I was only 4 in 1979) as well as owed child support (I'm no pimp or anything, but I think I would have been shooting blanks at 4 years old). To this day, it keeps coming back on the reports no matter how many times I have it removed.I have since stopped trying to fight the system on this and just learned that our government and its SSN system(As well as a lot of other government systems of tracking and identification) are just too outdated and backwards thinking to keep up in a modern society where the population out numbers the possible combinations of numbers they have to assign to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor512 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 they use SS numbers to track us but they know they cant make it the only use for it as it will be too much of a security risk no matter how professional ca company or a government worker is, you still don't want them to see your social security number unless there of the most higl qualified to handle this info example if we use SS numbers instead of other forms of ID a police officer would ask you for ID, he or she would then memorize your SS number then write it down when you leave that person can then file for a loan using your info and have the paperwork sent to a recently foreclosed home which they can have access to after they get the money and get it converted into cash leaving the victim in a heap of debt so they use other forms of ID which have numbers that are extremely long and nearly impossible to remember unless you write it down while looking at it but what the government needs to fix is the health care system, they need to make 1 card that has a id that connects you to a database all of the medical related info so that way when ever you go to a different hospital, you don't have to fill out that 70 page crap form it would also get rid of stupid delays in the hospital because you will see a long line and each person talking to the worker for like 10-15 minutes for no reason a card system would make it much faster because all they will need to do is come to the front desk and swipe their card and have a seat and wait to be called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothCriminal Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 If the number goes to 999-99-9999 (WHich if they used a numnber 000-00-0000, then that is 1 added to the mix) then you get 1,000,000,000 possibilities. But since you claim it never has gone above 799 which would be 799,999,999 million possibilities. But by state, we have only used up to 649. Then subtract 650-699 which are sreserved. Then subtract 700-728 for the railroad workers and 729-799 for reserved, you only get 649,000,000 thousand. I think we have many more people living in the US right now than 649,000,000. So, how does this system really identify you? This logic is flawed. There is approximately 305,186,613 people living in the U.S. You said 649,000,000 thousand, maybe you just didn't realize it, but that is 650 million possible SS numbers. Since there are only about 300 million people in the U.S. we still have many more possible SS numbers. I'm sure replacing the current system although would be a good idea, is probably to expensive to justify. Replacing our current system would probably cost billions of dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcninja Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Smootcriminal what about all the people from before? this was started what 1972? How many people have gotten them and died? I think over 305 millon.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Well maybe we do not have that many people with SS#'s currently alive, but I tend to think we have a lot more people here than just 305,186,613 in the country. What about people who go off the grid or cross the border illegally. I think the population is much higher, but probably not as high as 650 million living people. gcninja makes agood point. With all the people who were alive to get the first set of numbers, do they recyle them after they die? 305,203,150 to be precise, and rising(It flucuates constantly, up and down at any given moment): http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html One birth every.................................. 7 seconds One death every.................................. 13 seconds One international migrant (net) every............ 29 seconds Net gain of one person every..................... 9 sec Its like almost a 2 to 1 ratio for births vs deaths. So if 1 person dies for every 2 that is born, lets do the math. 2 * 305,203,150 = 610,406,300 (if we were workign with static numbers, which were not. Population is in a constant state of fluxuation, so this method hardly works, but seems like were on to something) At some point the living population outweighs the dead over the course of so many years. Add up all the dead since the beginning of SS#'s inception, and then multiply it by 2(2 born for every one who dies, not including the ones who are still alive during this time), I am sure it is going to exceed the total numbers available if it hasnt already. They have to be doing something with the dead peoples numbers at some point. They add up too high over time. Census figures are flawed estimates at best. Have you ever had to fill one out for the government? Ever had someone come to your door for a census questionaire. They ask you how many people live in your home, how many children, how may TV's, etc, etc. Not how many people in your home have SS#'s and they never verify these things. They take you at yoru word, and when they get no response they ask a neighbor, who doesn't have to know or even give correct answers. They use averages for most results. Not everyone is accounted for based on census figures alone. A lot of it is guessing and statistical data based on averages in any given area. It's impossible to estimate the total number of people by census figures. I remember a few years back that one states census data was considered bogus, as they couldn't verify the majority of the numbers, and they were far off from the census before for the same housholds, that things didn't match up. I think it was in the 90's, maybe as far back as when I was in hiogh school, and I am now 34, so I don't want to say I trust those numbers to be 100% accurate. They are anything but. Census data helsp cities to apply for federal grants and funds based on population needs. Most of it is manipulated to get what they want anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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