Pichet Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I wonder, wouldn't it be good enough if we just captured the files with their meaningless alphanumeric names and no .MP3 tagging at all? After all, who's looking at their player's display every three minutes or so just to learn a title and a name? Perhaps we should try to break this problem into small chunks: phase one would be about raw capture, phase two would be optional and attempt to match the cover picture with its song while phase three pushes identification to full completion but using ressources external to Pandora... If Pandora is satisfied that most people will settle for raw time-shifting then this project might become somewhat more viable, who knows? Being a minority among a minority should make the phase three guys negligeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomosvary Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I wonder, wouldn't it be good enough if we just captured the files with their meaningless alphanumeric names and no .MP3 tagging at all? After all, who's looking at their player's display every three minutes or so just to learn a title and a name? Perhaps we should try to break this problem into small chunks: phase one would be about raw capture, phase two would be optional and attempt to match the cover picture with its song while phase three pushes identification to full completion but using ressources external to Pandora... If Pandora is satisfied that most people will settle for raw time-shifting then this project might become somewhat more viable, who knows? Being a minority among a minority should make the phase three guys negligeable. I think you are underestimating the importance of the ID3 Tagging. There are other products that do a raw capture - Orbitz to name one. Pandora's Jar is one of few products that tag as well. Not to invalidate your point but the tagging is of great importance to me. If viewing the project in three phases makes it easier to develop then I'm all for that. -Spencer Money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pichet Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Of course, i prefer to have the .MP3 tags myself since that's essential for a better exploration of Pandora's continuous musical entertainment; maybe there could be multiple levels of functionality to this project: i'd rather choose the option to time-shift something than nothing at all. Somebody has mentioned slacker-dot-com recently and radioblogclub.com already got its FireFox add-on, the modular approach might help to gather supplementary resources to replace Last.FM and/or CDDB when they fail... So, far from having a definite position i actually welcome feed-back! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birra Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Windows Media Player gets most of the ID3 tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xathil Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 i agree.. there are things like musicbrainz which can help tag stuff. im just more interested in being able to get the music. pandora plays music randomly i dont check every song. i check when i find something i like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pichet Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 The one thing that .MP3 players don't do though is to auto-destruct the files after they've been played once... :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynagen Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Already working on it, just gotta have windows for right now, I'm sure somebody can take the source and adapt it into linux though. I'll explain in a link to another forum post. Done: http://forums.hak5.org/index.php/topic,7917.0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pichet Posted December 15, 2007 Author Share Posted December 15, 2007 Hi everyone, Sometimes i get ideas while in the bathroom, under the shower or elsewhere... Obviously, the concept of TimeShifting in its present form suffers from a major flaw: Pandora can't approve it because it's a fundamental violation of their license; i mean, right now we're simply discussing about collecting individually tagged songs which can be groupped as albums that we can play at will while Pandora is a radio instead of a jukebox for P2P leeches. Maybe TimeShifting would become more acceptable if radio sessions were turned into monolithic blocs that we don't need to break into author/album/title pieces at all. It shouldn't matter that such a technique would be incompatible with using MP3 players which can retain some degree of freedom with the help of short-range FM retransmission, anyway; Pandora is not trying to be anything else than an INet radio, after all. Isn't the main goal of TimeShifting to get rid of clock-related constraints or is it just to exploit Pandora as something totally different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 as far as I know the time shifting was always about stealing songs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pichet Posted December 15, 2007 Author Share Posted December 15, 2007 Somehow i was hoping that there was more to it than just an hypocryte facade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 if sadly can't be, it's not real radio, and PJ violates the TOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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