film Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Hi, well i was talking to this IT manager to day and we where talking about web browsers and he said FireFox is S**t get Deepnet ... now i have never heard of that before what do you think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I bet it renders using the IE engian... Firefox, Opera, Konqorer, Epiphany or Galeon ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jool Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I think he's incompetent, anyone who freely uses those glorified IE skins just doesn't know what they are doing. I checked their website and it is just an Opera clone using IE to render the websites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 No way. Even users at work are agreed mozilla/firefox has a better performance than IE. Yesterday, a guy even asked me if I could install firefox for him in his computer. I'd say your IT manager didn't really try mozilla/firefox or other GPL browsers. In my opinion, the best browser is links. I even succeded to make a poll in a forum with it :mrgreen: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazmac24 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Firefox is the best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 You have to remeber that when your dealing with a massive network that involves lots of permisions and intranet sites that use activeX, firefox won't be ideal. You people need to remeber that what works in you tiny home network setups doesn't always work well when your dealing with hundreds or thousands of manged computers. firefox doesn't have an msi and can't be deployed as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazmac24 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 well, how about IE7? my school uses IE6 and i works ood, i think. at home i have ie7 and firefox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jool Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 If you need IE to use antiquated ActiveX dependent sites or other horrible practices then use IE, just don't use crap like Deepbrower, Avantbrowser, OtherGenericIEBasedBrowserSkinBrowser. If you need a good browser with a MSI installer that isn't IE, use Opera, and in most other cases use Firefox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 You have to remeber that when your dealing with a massive network that involves lots of permisions and intranet sites that use activeX, firefox won't be ideal. You people need to remeber that what works in you tiny home network setups doesn't always work well when your dealing with hundreds or thousands of manged computers. firefox doesn't have an msi and can't be deployed as such. You don't have to change it right away. You can add firefox in a new windows image you will use for computers you add or you change. IE can't be removed and at least the user will have the choice. Something sure. In a big LAN of thousands machines, it will take a long time before firefox will be avalaible to everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Overheard the IT people at my place talking about replacing Firefox with IE7 now that it has tabs: You cannot update it from a central location for lots of PC's. It has to be done on each PC. You can't just download a patch, you have to download the entire thing, again and again and again. You can't managed it from a central location. No MSI Memory usage is a problem and it is a bug despite what the fanbois will shout about.. When you have hundreds of computers, Firefox is not automatically a superior choice. When you tightly control what your users do on the internet, again Firefox isn't automatically a better choice. When you business uses ActiveX programs for everything (ie webapps), Firefox is useless. I'm so sick and tired of people who think there piss ant 3 computers and a £40 router setup is at all reflective of organizations that manage computers on a countrywide scale. Firefox is a good browser, but it has a lot of issues with usage in the corporate world and this Digg-esq fanboi movement that has sprung up around it is nothing short of annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 im getting sick to death of seeing people think FF is so much better then IE and is the God of all browsers. In my opinion it is just as bad is IE. Just look at 1.5 or what ever it was, it had memory leaks buffer over flows in the javascript engine and god knows what else. The latest version of FF is even more buggy, im not even going to try the latest version from the bugs i have seen it has. People that use FF kind of remind me of Apple users how they think there unhackable because there not using a microsoft product ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 im getting sick to death of seeing people think FF is so much better then IE and is the God of all browsers. In my opinion it is just as bad is IE. Just look at 1.5 or what ever it was, it had memory leaks buffer over flows in the javascript engine and god knows what else. The latest version of FF is even more buggy, im not even going to try the latest version from the bugs i have seen it has. People that use FF kind of remind me of Apple users how they think there unhackable because there not using a microsoft product ;) So your an Opera fan :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ABC Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 FF all the way, what is wrong with that guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 We all know that evangelical fundamentalism didn't work for religion, why is it now supposed to work for software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I think he's trying to be diffrent ;) If he feels Firefox isn't right for him, which is fair enough, we arn't all open source robots :P If you don't like Firefox, don't go using IE unless you have a genuine need for it, use Opera or the origional Mozilla browser (or Seamonkey) or some thing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 As a usable web browser, IE7 isn't that bad. It has more features than your average AOL/BT Basic customer will ever use, and as long as you have some form of firewall/anti-virus and lack the desire to view porn/cracks you'll probably be OK with it. I love Firefox because of its extensibility, Opera is great on my phone but 99% of PC users just want there myspace/cinema times/email and IE7 does it all fine. Slight issue because its new though, hosted MS exchange email doesn't work with it lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 im getting sick to death of seeing people think FF is so much better then IE and is the God of all browsers. In my opinion it is just as bad is IE. Just look at 1.5 or what ever it was, it had memory leaks buffer over flows in the javascript engine and god knows what else. The latest version of FF is even more buggy, im not even going to try the latest version from the bugs i have seen it has. People that use FF kind of remind me of Apple users how they think there unhackable because there not using a microsoft product ;) So your an Opera fan :) Yeah pretty much, all though i dont like some of the bugs in opera. But compared to the bugs in FF ill take Opera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Well I agree with all the stuff said here about the FF fanbois, it's beyond beginning to piss me off to be honest, Yes, FF is a decent browser but it's not without it's flaws as many claim it is. Opera is also a very usable browser. Finally, the flamebait if you will, IE isn't that bad either. I use it, I'm not going to convert because someone badgers me about it everywhere I turn. IE6 has been targeted because of its popularity and so will IE7 but that doesn't necessarily mean they're shit. Sure, IE isn't perfect either but come on - none of these browsers are, they're something related to the internet and any form of internet client software is vulnerable. The only problem I have with IE is how closely it's linked with Windows itself but besides that it's a perfectly usable browser. In reference to the thread though, I don't particularly like the idea of IE 'skins', I've tried Deepnet and it works but I think I'd just stick with IE. As VaKo said though FF isn't necessarily a viable option for a corp environment so hey, use what does the job, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jool Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I guess I'm guilty of being a bit of a firefox fanboy, I try to convince people to use it whenever the subject comes up. It is mostly selfish reasons though since they often figure out that I "know computers" and most people here probably knows what that means. I just know that using FF usually gets them into less trouble than using IE and that means less hassle for me. Having worked tech support for a medium sized company where installing and maintaining FF would just be impossible I know IE is the best option for that situation. You just have to keep the users out of trouble with different methods. But that didn't stop me from getting as many as possible to install FF at home since many would call in at work or otherwise try to rope you in to fix their home computers. The issue for me with the Deepnet browser and others like it isn't just that it's simply a clone of other (better) browsers, it is that you can't really trust them. Especially not in a corporate environment. When they at the same time claim full IE compatibility and enhanced security they are just lying. Also, if they need to say that they are spy/adware free something fishy is probably going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 You all think every companies use Cisco, have new workstations every year, etc.. I exaggerate, I know In my case, I have to manage 300 computers with two other guys. There are a lot of pentium III with windows NT 4.0 and some celeron 1,3GHz with Windows 2000. Because we are a in a small hospital with a small budget, we use these computers as much as we can. I'm still amazed when I see these 7 years old machines working well for the need of the users. All this to say IE7 is not an alternative for us. We keep IE5.5 for all our windows machines. or some users who have some troubles with IE5.5 and a website, we install him Firefox or mozilla which use less ressources and stay fast even on a pentium III. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 All this to say IE7 is not an alternative for us. We keep IE5.5 for all our windows machines. or some users who have some troubles with IE5.5 and a website, we install him Firefox or mozilla which use less ressources and stay fast even on a pentium III. I assume that's Firefox 1.0? Firefox 1.5 and 2 would probably be a bit too much ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 All this to say IE7 is not an alternative for us. We keep IE5.5 for all our windows machines. or some users who have some troubles with IE5.5 and a website, we install him Firefox or mozilla which use less ressources and stay fast even on a pentium III. I assume that's Firefox 1.0? Firefox 1.5 and 2 would probably be a bit too much ;) I think we have a problem with 1.5 but I don't remember what. I tried 2.0 on a machine last week, it worked pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtterFox Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Maybe read this about deepnet http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2020096,00.asp Sounds OK but I wont be using it because I hate anything that trys to take over the computer! I have enough troubles with my computer already. Im a Firefox user, but I also like Opera and didnt change to FF until I found out that there was a mouse gestures extension. edit: I also found http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1990858,00.asp and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1998248,00.asp Havent read it yet but Ill get to it...soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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