sud0nick Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Fight training will only defend you in certain circumstances. For example, some chunky asshole pulls a glock and blows your wife's brains over a wall. What you gonna do now? Pull a pose like Bruce Lee? You, sir, need to calm your tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
factgasm Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) You, sir, need to calm your tits. And after you've washed your mouth out, you need to meet some victims of crime and see what damage crime did to their lives. Edited February 1, 2015 by factgasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sud0nick Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) And after you've washed your mouth out, you need to meet some victims of crime. I've seen victims of crime. This is why I pack heat like the oven door. You're going about this the wrong way. The Pineapple would not be useful in the situations you've mentioned. Now, please, take my advice and change the user interface yourself, as clearly none of us are going to, or just drop it. Edit: removed info that was irrelevant to current conversation. Edited February 1, 2015 by sud0nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
factgasm Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) I see 2 problems with that long post you made. 1. Against all the criminal acts you mentioned the Pineapple cannot help you at all. It can't protect you from it, it can't help you defend yourself during the act aside from maybe using it to beat your assailant over the head with it, and I'm sure there are plenty more appropriate, sturdier and heavier tools around for that. Maybe poke someone in the eye with an antenna, but that's pretty much it. After the fact you can't use one to make you feel more safe or less violated because, as I already mentioned, it can't help prevent a re-occurrence. 2. When you hack a someone who you consider to be a criminal (innocent until proven guilty and all) to gather evidence, you're doing the exact opposite: you're tampering with evidence. If you produce some document or email to an investigator, that investigator needs to take into account that you may have fabricated the document, so you need to say where you got it from. If you got it from the supposed perpetrator's harddrive, that would prove you have access to that drive so all data on there is now tainted. After all, you could just as easily have planted this evidence as well as any other file that might be indicative of criminal behaviour (child porn pictures, say). To make matters worse, hacking someone's machine without consent is illegal meaning that when you provide the document to a detective, you have proven yourself to have broken the law whereas the other guy is just some random and, thus far according to the law, completely innocent citizen. You know how it is that criminals succeed? They have no rules. None. They have no feeling or concern whatsoever for what they do. There's no angst, no inhibition, no anxiety, no remorse, they just do . . . . things. They'll break every rule in the book and feel no concern whatsoever for the harm they are doing. I tell ya this, if I had to hack a criminal to bring his criminal rampage to an end and to stop him destroying more lives, let's just say that sometimes structures become shackles, letting the bad guy get ahead. "I have foresworn myself. I have broken every law I have sworn to uphold, I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right!" Elliot Ness, The Untouchables. Edited February 1, 2015 by Mr-Protocol Removed video (Copyright?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sud0nick Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 You know how it is that criminals succeed? They have no rules. None. They have no feeling or concern whatsoever for the what they do. There's no angst, no inhibition, no anxiety, no remorse, they just do . . . . things. They'll break every rule in the book and feel no concern whatsoever for the harm they are doing. I tell ya this, if I had to hack a criminal to bring his criminal rampage to an end and to stop him destroying more lives, let's just say that sometimes structures become shackles, letting the bad guy get ahead. No one here is disagreeing with you on the fact that criminals should be punished for their crimes. I'm also certain that everyone here would break the law to protect their family and their own lives. However, we were discussing the Pineapple's place in all of this which is nonexistent. The Pineapple is not made for the purpose you seek. If you want it to be that way then go ahead and change the interface. No one is stopping you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
factgasm Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 No, I think you are confusing vengeance with justice and since when is using a gun or knife the only way to seek revenge? Cooper has stated already that by using the Pineapple to get evidence you are tampering with it. With that you are committing a crime yourself. It doesn't matter if someone wronged you, if you illegally access their systems/networks/etc you are at fault for your own crimes. I'll say this again, if you want to interface to be different quit trying to use emotional tactics on us. Instead, change it yourself in the CSS Editor tab of the configuration infusion. You can find all of the other files for the interface in /pineapple/includes/. When you're satisfied with what you've built you can present it to everyone here. Until then everyone is going to continue to use the current interface because it's effective and serves its purpose for the community. Its the Pineapple we deserve, but not the one we need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry99705 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Someone lock this thread please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sud0nick Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Someone lock this thread please. I second this. Just put it out of its misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Protocol Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Ok, freakin enough already. You state that this interface needs to be "easier to use", no. It's meant for professional with low level knowledge of what is going on in the background. For legit, signed contract agreement penetration tests. Your theories of using it to "solve crimes" from the victim perspective is total bullshit. As stated up there, call the proper authorities, you shouldn't be collecting "evidence", and it is illegal to do so depending on the setup. Not to mention, law enforcement has this great tool called a warrant that can get more information in a LEGAL way that can be used in court. If you disagree, PM me and we will schedule a skype/hangout/whatever chat about it. This topic is now locked and I do not want to see another one opened to continue the shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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