Hi, sorry for the late reply been working overtime.
I was trying to use a adsl router my old isp used to just provide the password and username to get an ip from them but the current suppliers help forum suggest that they wont disclose this information upon request. Im stuck with using a sagemcom F@ST2504n firm version 5.14.7a4N and the isp provider is Sky, uk based.
Managed to find https://www.cm9.net/skypass/ which apparently gets the username and password based on the mac address and default wpa key on the router but only allows 3 requests every 24 hours and been wasting those trying to find out what its using to generate them slightly paranoid probably but totally random website so slightly untrusting of it ^_^ (disclosing passwords and usernames also breaches t&c apparently).
I thought about using both the routers but currently have 12 sockets in my computer room and everyone of thems full think I would be pushing it trying to add more would probably burn the house down.
Any help much appreciated and thanks for the replys so far.