Faith +1
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Just a question:
To those of you who own guns, how many of you have actually used them to kill or maim another human?
And why?
If you haven't, what would be enough to make you take a life?
And could you look another person in the eyes and unload a round into there chest?
I apologize there is no way for me to try to pretend Im keeping this on topic as Digital Arcanist and I have sort of tried doing.
Used my guns to kill or main another human - never. How many times do I want to use it in that circumstance never if I can help it.
Why - because as DA was pointing out in a lot of US States you can not use deadly force as a last resort no matter what. In Arizona you may if you are in imminent danger of someone unlawfully using deadly force against you. But I caution you, that doesnt mean that just because you pull a gun out at me I can shoot you dead to rights. I have to know that your intent is to kill me with that weapon and or another weapon in which I may lawfully stop your unlawful behavior of trying to kill me. Hopefully you could follow that.
What would make me take someones life? The idea of Kill or be killed comes to mind. Thats it, not out of a fit or rage or some other emotion except self preservation for myself or my family.
Guns require respect. A lot more than most people give them. To understand the tool, you must first treat it with respect for the power within without abusing and or using that power incorrectly.
Lastly - can I look someone in the eye and unload a round? Tough one. I guess the answer I have is - If necessary I hope so.
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Arizona Criminal Code 13-3102 says that you can not walk the streets with a gun as you so brazenly profess. In fact, unless you are in an unpopulated (an area with no municipal services) area or conscripted into tempory service by either the National Guard, Military or local law agency, you can not open;y carry a firearm.
You should have read the part about carrying the weapon out in public - F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 about being in plain sight. Not to mention I dont go carrying this around on the base or any area thats being utilized by the US Military; I can however carry it in public as long as no laws prohibit them - e.g. School, Government Buildings.
As for an officer having the right to enter into property (ie. walk around your yard, look into your windows, walk into your home through an open door, not mistaken for unlocked but actually physically open) they are within their rights as peace officers to do so.Within their rights? Not unless there is just probable cause. Otherwise they are outside of their rights and unlawful. Again which is why most officers dont do it unless authorized by someone else.
A search warrant is used only when a physical object is to be removed from the person or home/office/warehouse etc. Such physical items are admissible in Arizona courts as evidence in criminal matters. The use of eavesdropping equipment is not covered in a search warrant. The definition and methods of procurring a search warrant are outlined in Title 13 Article 8 of your state's codes.In this specific instance we are talking about would there not be computers with "illegal" files on them being shared "illegally?" Therefore a warrant in this case is easy to attain.
Different passges of Title 13 legislature also indicate that a peace officer has the ability to move freely among any structure in a community as long as he can justify his actions as in the best interests of said community. If his actions are found to be unjustified then it is known as a Error of Good Faith and as far as I can tell is pretty much a slap on the wrist for the officer.Again we are talking - "Probable Cause" to justify their actions. What other means can they justify them?
I'm done "debating" with you. I have my facts. Your initial post and its rebuttal has derailed the purpose of the thread. Before your post I believe we were discussing the probability of a similar raid happening in the US. I also believe the general concensus was that what happened sucks but will not happen in the US at least for some time.You do not have all facts, you completely skipped over the information I requested about the Patriot Act and the division of homeland security. Not to mention you are only posting half truths about articles in Arizona. If you are done so be it but dont say something unless you are prepared for a rebuttal.
It was a great article and a good cautionary tail. Very Happy It's also nice to have multi-lingual members to translate for us. I can handle the Spanish and Latin articles but I have no clue about the Germanic languages, with the exception of English of course.I also agree on this statement. Dont advertise a LAN party and say something illegal is going to occur without knowing the authorities are going to come a knocking. How bout just do the LAN parties to play games :-).
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Just the fact that you are attempting to bypass security measures by guessing at the code is an infraction of penal codes in some places.
Breaking and entering is simply when you enter an enclosed area through some locked portal. Having the intent to take something is irrelevant. Trepassing mostly pertains to open spaces such as private land property.
If they can prove intent doesnt it go to a criminal case? If you are trespassing thats not a criminal offense.
Nonetheless its not a good idea unless you know you cant get caught.
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You must be slow or something Faith...I wrote and you quoted that regardless of an illegal search you can't point a gun at or brandish a melee type weapon at a law enforcement officer.
I guess you didnt understand my post "showing them Im armed" (the police) is not a crime where I live. Pointing the gun directly at them is. I am allowed to walk my streets with a fully loaded weapon without recourse. I know it varies from state, but show me the law in Arizona that says to have a gun on your side, or over your shoulder without being "thrown in jail?" Now I didnt say I would "Brandish" the weapon, I would show that I was armed meaning It would be already displayed, in a holster or or even over my shoulder with a strap. If I had a concealed weapons permit I would only have to tell the officer if they ask.
I don't think you understand what illegal search and seizure means. An officer can walk around you property and enter your home if the door is open. He can not however use anything he finds in enclosed areas such as cupboards, boxes, etcetera as evidence against you in a criminal case. The point of the amendment is to protect the people from officers using false pretense to satisfy curiosity or unfounded suspsicion.I do. You can not enter private property without proper documentation stating you may enter (Aka Warrant) with or without the owners permission(e.g. rentals or apartments). I do however realize that with the "Probable" cause clause if there is something that catches the eye of the officer they may enter. All officers are told not to enter property unless there is the probable cause because otherwise all evidence as you stated would be "Thrown" out, and the prosecutor would have that officer guarding a shack out in the middle of nowhere.
Technically if they see something in plain sight prior to entering which gives them probable cause then they are just to search the property.
As for strutting around like some prize cock with your gun.....well, you take the safety of yourself and your family in your own hands. Officers of your local law enforcement agency have some tight restrictions regarding the use of their firearms but federal agents don't really and with the Patriot Act and other Home Lan security programs things are even looser in some areas.Who said I was strutting around? I have done nothing more than made a few statements to attest facts. Of anything your over reacting to my statement.
Its a matter of principle that if you do have a weapon that you not show it unless you are in imminent danger of being killed by someone else because its a tactical advantage for them to not know you have a gun. Not to mention the proper care and safeguarding of that weapon is something I dont joke about nor take chances with. So please explain to me how I am taking the safety of myself or my family in my own hands?
Could you please point out the portions outlining Homeland security and the portions of the Patriot act that states the Federal Government officers have less of a restriction than the local government? From what I can ascertain, that unless you are a part of an operation (not just agents) you can not do anything more or less than the local police department where every bullet is accounted for and internal investigations are held / agents potentially placed on administrative leave depending on the situation.
Only a few states in our union have self-defense laws that will leave you with any legal recourse in criminal matters should you use deadly force. Instead of toting around your guns, you should try non-lethal forms of protection.Arizona is one of those states. So I guess you should have been asking what state I resided in rather than assuming the later. I would have to say for any gun owner to resort to use of their gun they better be damn sure that there is no other way out because anyone who has gone through the concealed weapons permitting program knows that there are about 98% of situations where you cant use your gun, but the 1-2% (or even less) that you may use it is worth it if you value your life. It requires a lot of patience with people and a basic understanding of tactics.
As for going down with a fight.....talk is cheap!Well I guess youll have to take my word for it now wont you?
Somewhat back on topic - I never stated that these guys should use weapons to keep their lan party serene. I actually stated what they did was dumb, disclosing illegal activities that were to be held there. Why would anyone in their right mind go to a widely publicized event in which your computer could be confiscated?
All I was trying to convey was that I have the ability to display a gun in public where I live, and I also have the ability to own guns from where I live. If you dont agree with it so be it, but dont try to tell me what I am doing is illegal or unsafe when you dont know the facts.
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That looked like some interesting stuff you got to see when you got there.
Sounds like the actual trip wasn't that great.
Interesting trip.
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I think you missed the point Faith.....if they are putting chips in our heads that pretty much means we have no civil rights so warrants wouldn't exactly stop cops anymore.
Illegal search or not, you can never point a gun or brandish a weapon to an officer of the law.
If they are on my property illegally you're incorrect about me showing them that I am armed (Pointing it directly at them wouldnt be smart, but showing them that I am armed is different). That would be my Second and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America.
If someone has proper papers to come into my home to search for something so be it. But I ,for one, am not stupid enough to disclose to all participants that something illegal would be going on there. Sounds like a recipe for disaster anyways.
Your opinion of me stating I have arms is the "Redneck Cowboy Mentality most Europeans hate about the US." is your opinion. You are very much entitled to it. Thats the differences in Government / Culture. I have my reasons (Wont bore you with the details) but I own guns, and I also feel safe.
DA - if someone wants to put this chip in my head they wont get me without a fight. That was the point I was making to you, which you missed.
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If its public then you are subject to the lawsof your state. Schools in California are very strict about illegal use of state electronics.
If you guess at a number coded door (electronic of course) does that mean you can be arrested on the spot?
if you crack the code, open the door, and enter with intent to steal or damage something - that's breaking and entering.
If you are just guessing and or crack the code it's Trespassing I believe.
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It won't happen in the US....not until they start putting chips in our heads to track us.
Not without a proper search warrant will they get through the door.
You say they have guns, I do too. It is my right as an american to not allow illegal search and seizure, and my right to bear arms... lots of arms :-)
If these guys were advertising free access to lots of files, thats just retarded.
Most of the "Lan Parties" I go to are also for the games, not for file sharing.
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Me and a friend are working on forums to help people into computing learn more. It was aimed to help college students share information and knowledge but we decided it is aimed at alot more people. The site is young and we very busy people so we haven't had time to spread the word.
Website: http://collegebanter.co.uk
What do you guys think of the idea and the site?
Interesting Idea.
Not sure how well it will take off?
Its just like the Hak5 show (showing people and or helping people) with a lot more topics in the forum.
oh yah minus the tv show :-)
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I did it once or twice on the old boards, then quickly gave up. Maybe we could all pitch in some money and buy spek a wired keyboard.
If someone covers the shipping I could send him one easy.
lol!
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http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q...+spell+checkers
Please people, its not hard to spell check your postings...
Isnt it fun to try to decipher what they are saying?
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sounds like a firewall on the remote computer you are hooking up to. Maybe disable it for the fastpush then re-enable it afterwards.
Your router will only truly need to route if you go out to the internet. So unless you have two routers within your network (so you can have multiple private IP schemes) its most likely a firewall issue either on the pushing or the pushed to computer.
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I did have soem fun though and installed half-life and doom on some machines that I use.
If you were trying to be anonymous its difficult unless there are a lot of people with your skill set that use that computer. It doesnt take a genius to figure out which kid knows something.
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well me n my friend finally did wat we wanted to do 2day...we managed to get access to EVERYONE's userdata on the server...so we can delete peoples work...leave notes in there areas =D good fun :D
Well it sounds like your type of file exploitation isnt condoned here.
I still wonder why you insist on telling us these things.
How about you delete some random important files on your computer and destroy any backups you have. Just to feel what its like to have it done to you, then come back and tell us how funny it was.
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hey dudes =P
can u reconmend me some progs that will help me find out the sound card on my friends computer?
and can u reconmend any good free driver download sites :P
ill use google too but there was a prog posted on here b4 the forums crashed. n i wanted it...but i couldnt remember wat it was called. but i think it was on majorgeeks.com.
thanks
/velodic
Quickest way is to open the box and look at the ESN, or possibly get the model number. Then do a search. Takes just a few mins, but you dont have to worry about some problematic program.
If you are remotely helping a friend. Have them take pictures of the card for you.
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I was searching around and went to my Wireless Network Connection Properties, then the Settings of the Internet Connection Sharing. Is there anything in there I can change to do what I want it too?
I can't test this because computer(3) has a fried motherboard. I'm in the process of building a new computer(3).
I am pretty sure that ICS has an implicit deny if you dont explicitly allow the port.
But if you dont open up proper ports you wont be able to get some programs to work.
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Email the admins with details of how you were able to get admin access so that they can close the hole. It's the ethical hacker thing to do.
Just adding my $0.02
Just as a few others are pointing out, you should tell the admins. You should be able to find out the CIO or some very important persons email addresses through the public front end of the school.
Use a webmail account that you set up from a wireless network that is.. well there and is not yours.
Then see what happens.
You do not want them getting in your face for trying these locked doors, but you dont want to let them just go.
If they fix it, great, if they dont. You cant fix it for them.
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Either block computer (3) at your router by i.p. or MAC adddress, or simply don't set a gateway address on computer (3). It will still be able to see the computers on the network, but will not be able to get online.
Now, the gateway trick only works if the person using computer (3) doesn't know what the gateway address is, and has a burning desire to get ON the internet.
Depending on your router you could look at blocking port 80/443 from said computer (3) and not block it for everyone else.
That way they could still get email (SMTP 25) and other services just not web.
If its to stop person on computer 3 from going to pron sites there are better filters out there now.
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Now what kind of school? If you are a minor you are not afforded the rights of a jury of your peers but appeals are allowed I believe? Unless charged as an adult I guess the word "Peers" are the 18 year olds if you are younger than that.
If it can be proven that you broke into an area of the school in which you werent supposed to be, or that your intent was to break into an area in which you arent supposed to be knowingly then the natural course of action is to contact the local authorities, not give the kid a detention.
Why would it be different for the computer systems? If you attempt to break into a computer system you know you arent supposed to be in, or circumvent policies and or procedures why is that not also a similar offense? Especially if they can prove you did it?
My state is pretty vague on the interpretations of it all, however they blanket the whole access by stating "Any unauthorized access attempt" which pretty much means anything that you werent explicitly allowed access for is against that law.
To the point about telling "Impressionable youth" that its not a good Idea unless you cant get caught. Lets be realistic. When you were young and told what you CANT do, what did you most likely do? You did it, even though you were told not to. So lets not candy coat the reality. The reality is that if you are going to speed, do it where you know the police arent. If you are going to do something (no matter what anyone tells you) then maybe you should ensure you wont get caught doing the deed.
I didnt know trespassing was a criminal offense, I always thought it was a misdemeanor, but I dont trespass so its something I dont keep up on.