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'hellz' to the 'ya'! :D

Dude, you make an awesome point. But when I was referring to hacking I was referring to in a "broad" term, it's just at the time of peoples responses, it went in the direction of security, that's all. I plan to do much more than just focusing on the reverse engineering of software to find out how it works, I'm also going to focus on the hardware aspect as well. ie: understanding how RFID works, using kits like 'arduino' to show how machine code/assembly works, if you have a piece of hardware and you want to get your hands really dirty by finding a jtag port and learning how to interface with that, building radio's and studying them to understand how RF works, etc, etc, etc... Also (please feel free to correct me on my opinion here) but when I refer to hacking, I'm referring to a persons inquisitive nature, mindset, and skill sets behind it (thinking logically, knowing what to question, thinking outside of the box or circle.). Granted some of those aspects derive from a persons natural ability to be able to do these things, a lot of this stuff can be learned if a person is really willing to focus and put their minds to it. Oh and th3bigguy, I'm currently attending school at Northern Virginia area

kudos to everyone who's pm'd me on this and thrown some awesome resources my way. Like I said I'm, I'm still working on a general outline of things to go through. I'll be out of town for about a week and will try to get it finished by the time I get back and would like to get feed back from anyone who's willing to look over it. But please keep throwing me your suggestions, thoughts, ideas, and any additional resources that you know of.

XD lol, dude, I think I was in 2'nd grade or something back in 1995. I didn't know crap about computers except that on windows 95 I could login by pressing the escape key and get admin access by going into safe mode. But I will say this, even though I was a little fella' I learned how to do the blue box the pay phones in my area. (I cheated, my dad was actually into the whole foss movement thing and was really into computers and stuff, so he showed me how to do that... Yes, I had a very weird and fortunate childhood. Thank you Captain Crunch). I'm still working on tweaking the stuff from hackerhighschool.org and, but between my school and work, it's going a bit slow, maybe in about another week or two i might have it done. When I do get it finished I'd like to post it (or a link to it) and get some feed back from everyone if possible. I still haven't gotten a reply back from Sam Bowne. Sent him a couple of emails already, but I don't want to pester the guy to death. Is there anyone else that ya'll can recommend whom I can contact for some advice? Oh and going back about "hack to learn not learn to hack", I take the stance of "learn to hack so you can hack to learn", you know... learn 'how to learn' first so you can learn more on your own (@_@). And hacking is exactly what it is that I want to show them how to do... NOT cracking.

Dude well said! (I'll have to write that quote down.) A lot of people just take one or maybe two looks at a piece of tech and are sent through the loop because they think it's so damn complicated (and in all fairness, some of it really is.) Google has been my educational institution ever since I realized that the public education that I was forced to accept was bull $%!7 and I was able to learn subjects in a fraction of the amount of time that it took everyone else. But RogueHart you do have to admit, sometimes it's because of people's ignorance or unwillingness to understand that people like us are able to make a paycheck. Not saying that it's bad or anything, everyone just happens to have their specialty/niche.

Dude, I totally remember that site. Than was one of my favorite places to learn next to hackerslab.org (which is also shut down). I plan to use the site hackthissite.org which I've found to be pretty nice and was very similar to hackits.de. Would you or anyone else happen to know of any other sites like this. They're great because of the mental exercises that it makes you go through as well as making you learn how websites and some of its basic security works. As far as watching out for those kiddies that want to use their powers for the dark side of the force, that's another reason why I want to start this hackers school started up. The honest will more than likely stay honest, it's those other ones that I want to try and snag ahead of time and give them an outlet where they can hack and learn till their hearts content. If they're going to be trying to do things for experimental purposes, it might as well be in a safe environment where they won't get into trouble, plus as I said, there's a culture behind what it is they are/will be doing along with a code of ethics which they may be unaware of that they need to be aware of... Not trying to save the world here, just trying to provide a nice environment for them script kiddies/hacker wannabe kids where they can actually learn something thoroughly instead of looking at how-tos on youtubz.

My friend, I couldn't agree more. This is why I wana try and get the input from the community on topics that are both static and dynamic in nature and to make and keep this thing as updated as possible. Awesome, I just sent him an email. But everyone has to start some where. I just want to provide a safe hacking environment for kids so that they can have a good time, learn a very profitable and valuable skill, and most of all mature from this experience. I've been thinking a bit more and have compiled a small list on some things that I think would be a good thing to have taken care of first aside from the basic hardware/OS/networking fundamentals: .Basic programming and scripting: (what do ya'll think would be a nice easy to learn programming language? Ruby, Java, Python...? A language that's cross platform?) .The toolkit: (linux/windows: Password crackers, port scanners, 802.11 analyzers, fuzzers....?) .Questions that they should be asking themselves (Why do I hack?, what should I hack?, What kind of security do they have?, etc...) Please tell me what else should be thought of. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. (XD)

HELLO ALL! I'm actually a college student that just graduated high school my self this past August (8-23-09) and am currently in college. In my spare time I teach and tutor kids in various IT/computer topics. In my many months of doing this (and I love doing this) I've taught middle and high school kids who are very keen and just have a natural knack for this stuff, everything from something as basic as helping them getting their A+ certification to network administration with windows and linux servers, and even helping the occasional would be hacker kid how to do some basic penetration testing (the rightly 'ethical' way.). I love doing this so much that I've invested a great deal of time in buying my kiddo's books, equipment, lab materials, and etc. It's gotten to the point now where I've got enough kids, parents, and teachers who like me and are willing to back me up so that I can get a little informal school/class going on where I can teach kids the basics of IT security and slowly get them into some of the more fun and practical sides of hacking (NOT cracking). I've been looking around to see if there was some kind of program out there that was already doing what it is that I'm trying to start up and do. CEH is way to advanced and dry for kids, plus (sry to those who do have a CEH) after looking at the CEH curriculum, it seems pretty crappy. It almost looks like the author of that course just googled hacking. The best and closest thing that I've been able to find was this free curriculum created and endorsed by ISECOM: http://www.hackerhighschool.org/ It's a very short lesson plan and feels very lacking in a lot of areas, especially the labs. I basically want to use this as a foundation and add more topics, labs, explanations, and etc to make it not only more accurate, but easy and from to learn from. So please, to everybody who's interested, please take a moment to look at the lessons (it won't take long, trust me, it'll take like 30 min max.) and post any ideas on what can/should be added, removed, done differently, or any other good suggestive ideas. If anyone has any questions, please just pm me. Thanks in advance guys and lets use this so I can help end the script kiddie madness.

Could you post the BT4 entry in your grub2 conf file?

ok... Umm Daren mentioned that he was still working out the "stuff" with getting the the whole grub2 thing going with his usb. He also mentioned that grub2 has a 'loopback' feature that can boot a live system directly off an ISO. I'm not sure if weather or not this nut has been cracked yet, but I havn't found anything yet on the forums to suggest that he has yet. So here's what I got so far. Grml2usb is a linux application that will install grml and grub on a given partition of your usb device and makes it bootable. Now having said that, be aware that it will install both grub and grub2 and the grml iso to your usb stick. http://grml.org/grml2usb/ So by default when you use this it'll automatically make grml the default iso to boot from, but that's ok because it takes care of the annoying part of getting grub2 installed for us and from there all we have to do is edit the boot.cfg file. http://grml.org/grml2usb/#menu-lst Now because I'm extra lazy I've found some premade gurb2 holiness and all you have to do is copy and paste this to the boot.cfg file which be located in the /sdx/boot/grub/ directory, and then download the desired iso's to the /boot/iso directory. Alternatively you could run this script while in linux which should automate everything for you. http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB Lastly, as I've said, this will also install the grub (original) as well, so what ever you had in your menu.lst file can be copied over and still used just in case you have edited it extensively already though you hay have to tweak it slightly if you don't want everything looking like a mess on your usb. So here's where to get it: http://grml.org/grml2usb/#download They have a src package in the event that you don't run a DEB based distro, however if you have a distro like ubuntu, mint, debian, etc, just add their repo to your sources.list file. If anyone here had issues trying to get this to work just post or pm me. I've tried this already and had some fun. If this was already posted and I did happen to miss it...My bad...

Sry disregard this post and go here: http://hak5.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14061

grassy-ass (XD)

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HOLLY FREAKIN GOD!!! I'm sorry If I'm about to stealing anyone's thunder but I just found this local band over in Fairfax, VA (while attending ShmooCon) And I swear to god! They like blow my mind away. The name of the band is Bob and they're a rock/alternative/crunk band. So to anyone who likes bands like Linkin Park, P.O.D., MSI, etc... Seriously, I highly sugguest that you check this out! Band's Main website Band's MySpace (Has some more of their music)

ok. poped open a can of JOLT and actually started reading and thinking at the same time. Something I sure that's already knows is, is that both open-wrt and dd-wrt have built in features that can be setup to handle the magic packets. The other thing is (don't know why it didn't hit me before and thanks Sparda for making my brain think the right direction) that this can be done with a wireless ethernet bridge (duh). Still though, from what I've read and gathered, some of those devices are not able to handle revieving and utilize the magic packets, so some custom firmware still may be required on both the bridge and the router (because aparently i've also found out and been explained to that most wireless routers don't support WOL on wireless) . I've decided to go ahead and try this out on 2 WRT54GL routers and if possible also on (a much smaller) one WET11 and one WRT54GL router. (Good thing my boss loves Jack Daniels) wow...to much thinking and to much caffine...and now I'm just confusing my self, just like when I used to ask my self 'which came first, the chicken or the egg.' (@_@)

hmm.. It just occurred to me that I think I might have worded the title of this threat kinda backwards. Should be more aling the lines of "Ethernet over wifi". (>.<) my bad. just last night I put in an order for a Fon router and will give a whirl at trying to set this up. Any thoughts? Hints? Things that I'm just totally oblivious about?

What bios and wireless card are you using? toss me a link plz. I already know that PCI and internal ethernet nic's can still get power when properly shutdown if setup in the bios, but every motherboard, bios, and wifi card I've used doesn't support WOL when the computers shutdown for wifi cards (neither PCI nor USB). thanks in advance.

Won't work. For those that use pci or usb wireless cards, they will never recieve the signal because the machines are powered off and neither the PCI or USB cards are recieving any power. That ( as of now) will only work on computers that are physically wired to the switch/router or are in stand-by/hibernation where some devices (depending on settings) are receiving power and etc... And once again, I already have DDNS setup and I can already do WOL on my computers that I have physically wired to my router. Me personally I use this app for all my WOL needs. http://users.telenet.be/jbosman/poweroff/poweroff.htm It can also turn off comps remotly and do a couple other things.

Well what you just showed isn't exactly what I was talking about. What I'm assuming that your talking about (judging based apon your pic) is waking a computer up when it's in stand-by/sleep/hibernation. What i was talking about is waking a computer that's completely shutdown/powered off. The way I was talking about pretty much is OS independent. Some people have been able to get their wireless cards to do WOL from Linux/BSD/Solaris while the system is either sleeping, hibernating, or what ever, but alot of the drivers out there for other OSs either don't support WOL in the manner you were just describing or have had a hard time trying to get it to work. and sparda, ya your probably right for the most part if not completely right about that last part. So far I've seen nothing on the market (except for expensive enterprise equipment.) that can do exactly what I was talking about. Ya'll happen know of anything that does this or similar? Who knows, this might be an interesting way to to a man-in-the-middle attack. (Or hijack)

Ya that was my general train of thought from the beginning. Obviously wireless PCI cards are not receiving any power when the machine is off, which is part of the problem. The main reason why I was thinking and suggesting using something similar to the Jasager/fon routers is because: 1. those units have their own independent power supplies, so it doesn't matter weather or not the the computer is powered off, and 2. the Jasager/fon routers have programmable firmware, so you can tell it to listen in for a specific packet or just tell it to zone in on a particular port (for WOL I think it was either port 9 or 7). 3. lastly and obviously, it has an ethernet jack to plug in to your computers nic (which has a bios that supports WOL) so you can hit it with a magic packet. I'm assuming that Open WRT would be able to support that?

This is just a possible idea and I'm not sure if this has been done yet but here it goes. Basically my home has a combination of wired and wireless networking. From time to time I'd need to get something from my computer from either skool or work and I'd use WOL to wake the computers that are wired to my router, using a combination of DDNS and the DDNS features in my router because I have cable and a DHCP address. Unfortunately as we all know this doesn't apply to wifi which is a pain in the ass for me ( and other people I'm sure) because half the machines in my network are wireless. Well enough of that, and here's the basic idea/concept: Some how to configure the jasager/fon router to connect to your wireless network while connected to your computer (via ethernet) and have it set up so that it will pick-up either magic packets/wake-up-frames and then pump that into your ethernet nic and wake up your comp. One thing I think might be a problem might be that when your main router recieves the magical packet, your router will only rout that signal over the wired part of your network and completely dismiss even broadcasting the magic packet wirelessly. To that I thought (in the extreme case) you may need two jasager/fon routers, one on your computer and the other wired to your main router, (having your jasager/fon routers acting like a bridge/switch) so that it will foward the incomming magical packet, Another issue that I thought might come from all of that is MAC conflicts/routing issues due to how the magic packet might get passed around. To that I don't really have to much of an idea on how to solve that. So! anyone think this is to dumb of an idea or even possible? (FYI: I'm aware that people have been able to wirelessly wake their computers while they're hibernating or sleeping. I'm talking about going one step further.)