markhimself Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 They sent me a letter with details so exact even down to the fact i used UTorrent 1.76 BPI, Virgin Media and Atari suck. I torrented it over a year ago. I thought Virgin Media give u warnings? mabey not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You made things worse by posting an admission here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Ignore it. FTW. Shred it. AN IP does not link a crime to a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You do know your torrent client broadcast's it's version name/number right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 FTW. Shred it. AN IP does not link a crime to a person. Indeed, it's very hard to produce evidence to secure a prosecution. Even if they did take you to court you can question everything and make them bring in experts, making it so expensive it's not worth them bothering. I'd look into Privacy Laws and Data Protection Laws if anything develops from it as I'm sure questions could be raised about the legality of the collection of any so called evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geekdba Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 agree with all of the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 My IP changes on a Regular Basis (restarting router) and I assume someone else gets the IP I had, so what if its them. An IP isnt enough to link someone to a crime, it can lead them to an ISP and an Exchange. Also, what if you have a wireless network? Someone could have been using it ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 My IP changes on a Regular Basis (restarting router) and I assume someone else gets the IP I had, so what if its them. An IP isnt enough to link someone to a crime, it can lead them to an ISP and an Exchange. Also, what if you have a wireless network? Someone could have been using it ;-) ISP supposedly log who gets which IP address. How reliable can these logs be when ISP's have tens of thousands of customers? In theory computers don't make mistakes, in practice they fucking do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarf Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 ISP supposedly log who gets which IP address. How reliable can these logs be when ISP's have tens of thousands of customers? In theory computers don't make mistakes, in practice they fucking do. Agree. Most home users will have a Dynamic IP, the mere fact that your IP can change from one second to another is a good starting point in a legal defence. Having said that, I'd imagine that some if not most ISPs will record which line has which IP at which time, meaning they could see for example: From 1.30AM - 2.30AM on 1/1/07 IP '1.1.1.1' was downloading from 'illigitimate' sources. & from 1AM - 3AM on 1/1/07 IP '1.1.1.1' was leased to <you>. I guess it depends on what they've got on you in terms of evidece, for which I doubt they'd reveal out-of-court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You need to be specific about what they are charging you for. They cannot just send you a bill for the software, since thats just extortion. Without revealing to much personal info would it be possible to copy the text of the letter up here verbatim? While it must be said that no one who posts here is a lawyer it would be useful to see the wording of the letter. Are they taking you to court to recover damages? They also have to prove it was you, its on them to do this, its not a case of you having to prove that you didn't. If it comes down to search warrents, run dban on your disks and install something like plan9 as your OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarf Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I agree with Vako, being able to see what they are exactly saying would be nice. :) These letters are usually pretty generic 'Give us £xxxxx or we may have to pursue legal action.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Also buy at least two 100 DVD spindles, open them, and scatter them every where. Label a couple of them and but some files on a few. Make it so expensive to examine all your storage it's would cost them at least 10 times as much as they would possibly win from you, when they 'request' it, make sure to point out that you may have hidden stuff in the middle of the disks. Hopefully causing them to do entire disk scans, which would take at least 20 minuets to do on a normal DVD-ROM drive for each disk. Also, after DBAN'ing, if you can do without it, damage the circuit boards on the hard disks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Can you use dd to copy your hard drive to a fax number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 IP address alone isn't enough, but most ISP's ask or record your MAC address of your Modem, PC, or Routers, so they woudl be able to identify your hardware to your account. Without being able to positively identify the hardware, they would have to use other methods of identification, which could be considered circumstantial if it doesn't idendtify you by email, online handle/nickname, pc-name, etc. Remove ALL your hardware that can be identified by MAC addressing, and any physical evidence there in. Deny, deny, deny. Get a good lawyer, as this most likely isn't going to be going away. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=ga...sa=N&tab=wn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 yeah because it's imposable to change a mac address Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 yeah because it's imposable to change a mac address Well, it is at least on something like your cable modem. Routers let you clone MAC addresses, and wireless cards let you manually change it while windows and linux can do it by way of software, but if your ISP (Like mine) requires registration of your cable modem to get access to their network, then they have you right there. I doubt he has been spoofing his MAC all this time anyway, Not that it isn't a good idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthrounit Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 was there any encryption used with your torrent client?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhimself Posted August 30, 2008 Author Share Posted August 30, 2008 OK. i think ill pass the 200 disks and the lowyar thing, as paying 560£ may just be easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deags Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 if it isn't registered mail. just burn it. ignore it. they can't follow up everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 OK. i think ill pass the 200 disks and the lowyar thing, as paying 560£ may just be easier. Paying just makes you guilty(which you are anyway), but be careful how you deal with this, If you end up in court, that amount will be nothing compared to a copyright conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Paying just makes you guilty(which you are anyway), but be careful how you deal with this, If you end up in court, that amount will be nothing compared to a copyright conviction. It's unlikely they would get any money out of him as he can show his income being little to nothing and likely pay no more than a few hundred pounds (if they won) and that would be payments of a few pounds a week. By giving in, it makes them think they can win and make money out of going after people. If you do not fight for your rights, what's the point of having any, you may as well live in North Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esqulax Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 If anyone has a receitp for said game... the case will fall on its arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Like I said, without knowing what they have said to you it is impossible to give you advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Funk Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 yeh, a scan of the lettle would be nice - just blur/black out personal details. Its easier to advise when you know what your advising on directly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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