tim.vangehugten Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 it'll depend heavily on who's there because many potential attendees might be unable to participate for lack of knowledge. And which knowledge is certainly required? I'm asking this cause I have a lack of several linux distributions. And even if I have a lack of knowledge, would it then be a good Idea to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 it'll depend heavily on who's there because many potential attendees might be unable to participate for lack of knowledge. And which knowledge is certainly required? I'm asking this cause I have a lack of several linux distributions. And even if I have a lack of knowledge, would it then be a good Idea to go? Sure, but that's what I mean, there will be people of all abilities there... there's little point in organising a complicated competition if 2 people at best will understand it. If it did happen and there were people who weren't interested in the competition, those who didn't want to participate would be free to do whatever. This is an advantage of it being fluid, if half the group wanted to play CTF but the other half didn't, that's cool, the other guys can watch and learn, they could go stock up on booze, they could go outside for a communal cigarette session, they could go and explore the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 okay, then I definitely will come. 8) Are there any requirements of stuff that you have to take with you? I mean, routers, laptop, sort operatingsystem,... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I will most likely be bringing a laptop with XP and Ubuntu on it, along with a smart phone, n810 and unfortunately a blackberry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 No real requirements really, at least there weren't last time... feel free to bring whatever you feel you need, laptop, phone, PDA, router, stuff like that, but don't forget that you may need to carry it around with you at some point and that the more kit you bring, the more you have to keep track of when you drag it all out to play (risk of loss, theft). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I'll keep that in mind. 8) Is it already desided which day/month it will be held? Although I thought it was somewhere in september... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyber_eagle Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I would love to see a full on con but I’d say it is more likely to be like an extended 2600/DEFCON/CCC/LUG monthly meeting. For sure, full blown cons take way more than we could do now. But aiming for "con-like" makes a meeting a lot better. In fact metatrons whole post made a lot of sense, kudos lol. A meeting/conference room would be a nice idea but I'd question our need for one, last time I think the hostel lounge was sufficient I'm not sure, it all depends on cost of course, but it would be nice to have our own space. It was hard to do our own slightly unusual thing in the hostel. If a meeting room is too large/expensive we might consider just getting a larger hotel suit and using that during the day. We're actually doing something like this at work next friday and saturday, gong off to some country estate with i think self catering accomodation and generally hacking the place up and presenting to each other with a no-slides-hands-on feel. Of course we'll be doing much more structured stuff cos its based on research people have done but the general way its done, low key but with our own space, is a good model. Intoxication is a natural option but it's not something we need to do during the whole meetup If people wanna grab a beer, they grab a beer. That prtty much worked last time. And which knowledge is certainly required? Preferably none would be required. Just fun accessable things. The subject of knowledge was only raised because super-leet-skillz events are fun, but not practical for our purposes lol. Its more something to bear in mind when we come up with ideas. So here's what I'm thinking. For most people who come there should be little to no requirements, except maybe a room booking or contribution (or not depending what we do). But I think we need to get a few people together who are responsible for stuff. Bringing key things, setting stuff up, whatever. For everyone wondering whats going on, sit tight, stuffs being worked out here, don't think anythign you've read so far is final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Okay so if we are going to do this, we may as well learn from last year. If it's in Berlin or the UK I know a few people in them and I can send my kit over two weeks in advance to make sure it can be set up and does not get nicked by BA again. I have bought a new domain, virtual dedicated servers and a few other bits just for this so DNS/ ICMP tunneling will be available among other things. I will also bring a more powerful version of this http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/261/42/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Before we get lost in details we should define a date or a time frame (mhm, correct word?). July? August? September? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I will also bring a more powerful version of this http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/261/42/ Nice 8-) Before we get lost in details we should define a date or a time frame (mhm, correct word?). July? August? September? Everything is still open I think although some said september it still can be any time. (as far as I know...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Before we get lost in details we should define a date or a time frame (mhm, correct word?). July? August? September? August or September would be okay with me and it gives us enough time to put shit together and/or book time off work. Three days seemed to work well last time. I'd go with the same idea. Meet up Friday morning/afternoon for something to eat and few beers and then travel home Sunday afternoon/Monday morning. I will also bring a more powerful version of this http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/261/42/ Nice 8-) Before we get lost in details we should define a date or a time frame (mhm, correct word?). July? August? September? Everything is still open I think although some said september it still can be any time. (as far as I know...) Yeah just ordered the parts, I'm going with a more powerful AP with an Atheros chipset and a 22.5dBi parabolic antenna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyber_eagle Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 cool, i might be at defcon in august so at least from my perspective and possibly others it'd be cool not to clash with that. thats august 8-10 plus some days before and after for travel. If anyone knows of any other events going on that might cause annoying clashes speak up quick before we pick a date, which should be pretty soon by the way things are going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uber_tom Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I read through 3 pages of posts but i still seam to be lacking information  Where and when? has this been decided yet? i think i've gone blind i can't remember any of what i just read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I read through 3 pages of posts but i still seam to be lacking information  Where and when? has this been decided yet? i think i've gone blind i can't remember any of what i just read. As far as I know there is nothing decided yet. Although I can give you a short summary of the previous 3 pages: When: somewhere in july, august or september Where: There's a high chanche that it will be Berlin but that's not certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I read through 3 pages of posts but i still seam to be lacking information Where and when? has this been decided yet? i think i've gone blind i can't remember any of what i just read. As far as I know there is nothing decided yet. Although I can give you a short summary of the previous 3 pages: When: somewhere in july, august or september Where: There's a high chanche that it will be Berlin but that's not certain. lol, yeah. I think more structure may need to be added to this thread. People seem happy with Berlin but there is still the Amsterdam option (not a big fan of that). I say the best idea is to have a meeting on IRC, maybe skype for the people that are interested in coming and would be able to make it and work out a date and location. I think we can agree on the same rules as last year over 18 as we don't want to be responsible legally for anyone other then ourself. Once we have a solid date and location planning can go forward.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Last year the thread was much the same, ideas and thoughts batted around a bit before the decision was made and I think that's kinda nice for a bit, it allows a decent amount of discussion before making the big points a bit more solid. If we wanna make this a bit more concrete though (and bear in mind we still have a little while before it needs to be set in stone) I think a vote would be a good idea, just so we can get an at-a-glance idea of what people are thinking. Edit: Location: http://hak5.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9056 Date: http://hak5.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9057 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyber_eagle Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Nice one moonlit. And let me reiterate, this is a planning (and ideas) thread. The event doesn't just pop into existence by itself, when there's some solid plans some page will be put up, maybe on the wiki maybe on the site somewhere, with definitive information. If you aren't interested in helping to plan or suggesting ideas but just want to be told when and where and show up, wait for that. But of course, getting involved now is also encouraged! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Just got some parts to sort out wifi, the rest should come soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Google Calendar yeah it may be a little early to set one up but we may as well get the ball rolling as we had one last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I think we should look for a good balance between quality/ costs location (even we don't know the location, we can asume that it will be berlin.) Athough, someone knows how many people will come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I think it would be safe to say there will likely be no more then 20 people and even then some might only be there in the day, as that happened in London. It's just a matter of finding a few hostels and working out which one has the best facilities/location and getting everyone that wants to come to paypal some money over for a deposit. DarkSenay handled the money last year so he can be trusted after all we don't know each other that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Haven't that much expierence with hostels in Germany, (only with a youthhostel in Trier) but is it the meaning to rent a big room or all little rooms. Just wondering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Haven't that much expierence with hostels in Germany, (only with a youthhostel in Trier) but is it the meaning to rent a big room or all little rooms. Just wondering... Big room most likely but there is nothing stopping people from booking into a hotel if they want more luxury, although they would miss a bit of the experience and some of the in jokes that come up. Hostels are what they are, a cheap way of staying in a city, but they also tend to be a lot of fun with a party atmosphere in some (last year people were having a toga party) and can be quite nice. Just do a Google search for "Berlin hostels" and some have photo's and give you an idea of accommodation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim.vangehugten Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 mm I have a general idea, still most rooms are with 8, found one with 14 and its a hostel with FREE WLAN acces. Hope that all hostels are like that B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digininja Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 From what we learnt last year, who is brining the poker set and who is brining the skittles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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