SubINacls Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 So I dont post often .. but this one is like Omg, I had to quit playing halo to ready this! If there is a n00b award to give! Dude You w0n! w00t Using your own Student ID, thats brave! Try playing stupid when the questions start flying! It should not be to hard, you seem good at it :) What would I do if I was your Admin ..... First, I would have you suspended for 2 weeks... Second, I would remove your terminal from the classroom Third, I would clone the HDD Fourth, I would Forensically examine it :( hope you did nothing to bad :) and Fifth, I would bring up charges, as deemed fit! If there was no legal actions taken against you, you will be watched like a hawk, until your out, graduation or not! Most likely now the offense is on your Student Record, and it will follow you from school to school, or job to job! just a thought... If you can see that the AV alert message, so can others :) and a good report generator well ... So... If you do not have a criminal in the next 2 months, your in the clear :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 A: You could be storing stuff that is in violation of something or other, viruses, hacking tools, porn... use your imagination. B: Mounted encrypted archives can play havoc with backup software. At my last job I was specifically told that if I wanted to use truecrypt, the archive had to be stored locally, and not on a network drive. Well, that may be true, but the use of encryption itself isn't vandalism, maybe the storing of viruses or hacking tools could be (although I'd say it wasn't unless you actually used them). I understand why they might have the policy (although it's flawed considering the number of everyday applications use encryption), I just don't understand why it's in the vandalism section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 manuel and I went over this in IRC the wording was created by lawers to be OVERLY broad so they cover their asses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothCriminal Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Well, not many systems administrators that I know are able to assign punishments. Most often the guidelines are strictly set out in a student handbook, and then they are left up to the assistant principal/dean/person who assigns punishments to interpret these guidelines. Sounds like you probably will not get caught, but if I did catch you, personally I would make sure you got in some type of trouble (especially for the way you talked about your systems admin). This is why school computers are for learning not playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leapo Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Your an idiot.No, you're an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Your an idiot.No, you're an idiot That was uncalled for, I think he was referencing the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyrancher82 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Block internet access to, it can be used to view material that _could_ be used for vandalism. Oh hell, block the use of computers as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRGRIM Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Your an idiot.No, you're an idiot You are correct Grammar+1 to you sir. You're an idiot still stands for the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Your an idiot.No, you're an idiot You are correct Grammar+1 to you sir. You're an idiot still stands for the OP Ahh, I see it now... clever. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1u Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 He is young, so what if he made a mistake, if anything happens just let it teach you a lesson. You just learned the lesson the hard way is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBP Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 You should not be saying anythting if this is real format your hdd hide under your bed and dont turn your pc on ;)...? ...and again with feeling (or grammar).... You should not have told anyone. If this situation is real then I strongly suggest that you format your hard disk drive, hide under your bed and never apply power to your personal computer again. what he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrussel Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 listen all these guys are just jerking your chain. the best advice i have for you is play it cool and dont say anything until you get pulled in it happened to me in high school, i hit the whole district 4 times, then they pulled me in randomly one day and said we could call the cops and haul your ass in and bunch of bullshit. Honestly if your school admins (principal, disciplinarian) are alright and reasonable theyll ban you from the network a while other than for school work and then randomly it will blow over and wont matter to them. Dont do it again, thats when you start to get a record. hope it all works out for ya in the end. you cant learn if you dont try, just need to learn that there are some places you can play and others you cant. go to a conf. if you really wanna try to play likelihood is youll get schooled, but its all in good fun. keep your chin up best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 listen all these guys are just jerking your chain. the best advice i have for you is play it cool and dont say anything until you get pulled in it happened to me in high school, i hit the whole district 4 times, then they pulled me in randomly one day and said we could call the cops and haul your ass in and bunch of bullshit. Honestly if your school admins (principal, disciplinarian) are alright and reasonable theyll ban you from the network a while other than for school work and then randomly it will blow over and wont matter to them. Dont do it again, thats when you start to get a record. hope it all works out for ya in the end. you cant learn if you dont try, just need to learn that there are some places you can play and others you cant. go to a conf. if you really wanna try to play likelihood is youll get schooled, but its all in good fun. keep your chin up best of luck I'm not sure if I should flame you for helping someone break a network they don't have premission to, or compliment you for an intelligent (somewhat; don't help noobs break things) post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 listen all these guys are just jerking your chain. the best advice i have for you is play it cool and dont say anything until you get pulled in it happened to me in high school, i hit the whole district 4 times, then they pulled me in randomly one day and said we could call the cops and haul your ass in and bunch of bullshit. Honestly if your school admins (principal, disciplinarian) are alright and reasonable theyll ban you from the network a while other than for school work and then randomly it will blow over and wont matter to them. Dont do it again, thats when you start to get a record. hope it all works out for ya in the end. you cant learn if you dont try, just need to learn that there are some places you can play and others you cant. go to a conf. if you really wanna try to play likelihood is youll get schooled, but its all in good fun. keep your chin up best of luck This seems like a perfectly resonable response given the circumstances, nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor512 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 it's nothing to worry about, they almost never check them and since ie is the default browser, exploits that install trojans are very common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzziD Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 So they did question me but it wasn't that hard to convince them that a kid stole my id and password. "I wrote it down on a sticky not and it was gone last time i looked." Pwned them. Anyways thanks guys... LOL Specially manuel seeing as we are in the same state : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 You are most certainly welcome.... Might I suggest stop lying, as they probably know that you are lying... and have ways to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothCriminal Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I would like to just say, for all of those that are encouraged by this kid, think twice before you do stupid shit. System admins of schools can be extremely helpful if you stay on there good side. If you find a security exploit, report it rather than doing something you will regret. Chances are you will open up many doors for yourself. I am a senior at my school and last year I made friends with our IT department. I worked over the summer full time with them, in a paid internship position, I will probably work again this summer, and it has opened up doors for me. Not to mention an impressive resume builder. I have no doubt that being able to put on my college apps that I had assisted our IT dept. in managing a network of 1600 computers helped me get in to some good schools. Not to mention some really good people to send letters of recommendation. Now think of the alternative, if you do something stupid, you will probably get caught, and then have bad consequences. Trying to get through a year of school without computer access is rather difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Bingo smoothCriminal!!!! That is how I got to where I am today.... until my senior year in high school I had minimal interest in computers and networking. They hired a new Tech Directory, he came in, asked for student assistants, I volunteered through the school year. I graduated, then that summer I worked in a paid internship, then they hired me on full time. I've been here 9 years now. The point is, rather than trying to one up the it people, who are usually smarter than you really think, help them. Yes, some IT people don't always know everything, but really who really does know 100% of everything in their field? not many, especially since technology (not just computers) is vastly changing how things are done. Good IT people, such as myself, or such as Mike (Azzid's Director of Technology) know a lot more than kids like Azzid gives us credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 If you find a security exploit, report it rather than doing something you will regret. Be careful doing this if they admin is not a hacker he'll react badly and you'll be punished. I know a guy used to be an admin, I'd NEVER call this guy a hacker. Had you even thought of finding and exploit he'd have you expelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor512 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 when I was in high school, the teachers would thank students who helped fix problems. like when they blocked e-mail and many other sites that the teachers actually used, I was able to get on many teachers good side by giving them copies of firefox portable that I pre setup to use reliable proxy servers. so it really depends on what you do at the school, if you want to get around anything that some admin setup, make sure your doing it to help people, mainly the teachers. at the high school, everything had to go through a proxy server owned by the DOE and they blocked almost everything that made the internet useful no e-mail because students would use the school computers to check their e-mail (which many of our classes used because it was much easier to e-mail long assignments to the teacher instead of printing them out) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyedie Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I realize the situation here, but does anyone remember this: http://forums.hak5.org/index.php/topic,8785.0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 This all started before that post was first made. And anything having to do with a kid trying to use the USBhacks on a school network nullifies any possibility of getting any help. (from me at least) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothCriminal Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I realize the situation here, but does anyone remember this: http://forums.hak5.org/index.php/topic,8785.0.html Yes, that's why my first post, and a number of posts concerned the issue at hand. Which obviously you don't remember, but the question was what are the consequences of his mischief. I answered his question to the best of my ability, and then I gave him/others the best advice I can give regarding the subject of "Hacking school computers". We are merely discussing what should be done with these type of situations. Hacking school computers often seems like a real cool way to impress your friends and prove your 1337ness, but in reality it is just a good way to get in trouble, and make more work for your IT dept. SomeoneE1se, you are right, you should be careful how you approach these situations. For the most part, as long as you explain the way you found said exploit, chances are they will be ok with it (some exceptions apply). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicatronTg Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 I realize the situation here, but does anyone remember this: http://forums.hak5.org/index.php/topic,8785.0.html Yes, that's why my first post, and a number of posts concerned the issue at hand. Which obviously you don't remember, but the question was what are the consequences of his mischief. I answered his question to the best of my ability, and then I gave him/others the best advice I can give regarding the subject of "Hacking school computers". We are merely discussing what should be done with these type of situations. Hacking school computers often seems like a real cool way to impress your friends and prove your 1337ness, but in reality it is just a good way to get in trouble, and make more work for your IT dept. SomeoneE1se, you are right, you should be careful how you approach these situations. For the most part, as long as you explain the way you found said exploit, chances are they will be ok with it (some exceptions apply). Just don't say "I tried to install the exploit, and it worked." unless you want to end up with no computer privileges during the semester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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