Rab Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Sorry, to spit all over your comment, but I think gay couples should be able to adopt. What gives a Man and a Women who hate each other more of a right to adopt than two Men/Women who love each other. I look at it from the child's point of view, because they are more important than the wishes of the adopting parents. I believe that a child needs a mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 rab so you're saying that it's better for a child to be left without a family at all then to have too dads and no mothers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 rab so you're saying that it's better for a child to be left without a family at all then to have too dads and no mothers? I'm saying it's better to wait a little while until there's a hetero couple or single woman who want to adopt, I don't think there's a short supply of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentknight329 Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 i personnally think that gay people are fine mabey a little wierd because in my community there are not any gay people... they are normal human beings.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeGrijze Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 I just love people, and really do not care what any one sexual pref: or skin color is. Gerard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 I look at it from the child's point of view, because they are more important than the wishes of the adopting parents. I believe that a child needs a mother. Technically 2 gay parents would mean a lack of a male role lol. Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex * 11:13 16 June 2008 * NewScientist.com news service * Andy Coghlan Some physical attributes of the homosexual brain resemble those found in the opposite sex. These images show the amygdala in heterosexual men and women (labeled HeM and HeW) and homosexual and women (labeled HoM and HoW) (Image: National Academy of Sciences, PNAS) Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait. The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex. The differences are likely to have been forged in the womb or in early infancy, says Ivanka Savic, who conducted the study at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden. "This is the most robust measure so far of cerebral differences between homosexual and heterosexual subjects," she says. Previous studies have also shown differences in brain architecture and activity between gay and straight people, but most relied on people's responses to sexuality driven cues that could have been learned, such as rating the attractiveness of male or female faces. Brain symmetry To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain parameters likely to have been fixed at birth. "That was the whole point of the study, to show parameters that differ, but which couldn't be altered by learning or cognitive processes," says Savic. First they used MRI scans to find out the overall volume and shapes of brains in a group of 90 volunteers consisting of 25 heterosexuals and 20 homosexuals of each gender. The results showed that straight men had asymmetric brains, with the right hemisphere slightly larger – and the gay women also had this asymmetry. Gay men, meanwhile, had symmetrical brains like those of straight women. The team next used PET scans to measure blood flow to the amygdala, part of the brain that governs fear and aggression. The images revealed how the amygdala connected to other parts of the brain, giving clues to how this might influence behaviour. Depression link They found that the patterns of connectivity in gay men matched those of straight women, and vice versa (see image, above right). In straight women and gay men, the connections were mainly into regions of the brain that manifest fear as intense anxiety. "The regions involved in phobia, anxiety and depression overlap with the pattern we see from the amygdala," says Savic. This is significant, she says, and fits with data showing that women are three times as likely as men to suffer from mood disorders or depression. Gay men have higher rates of depression too, she says, but it's difficult to know whether this is down to biology, homophobia or simply feelings of being "different". In straight men and lesbians, the amygdala fed its signals mainly into the sensorimotor cortex and the striatum, regions of the brain that trigger the "fight or flight" response. "It's a more action-related response than in women," says Savic. 'Striking differences' "This study demonstrates that homosexuals of both sexes show strong cross-sex shifts in brain symmetry," says Qazi Rahman, a leading researcher on sexual orientation at Queen Mary college, University of London, UK. "The connectivity differences reported in the amygdala are striking." "Paradoxically, it's more informative to look at things that have no direct connection with sexual orientation, and that's where this study scores," says Simon LeVay, a prominent US author who in 1991 reported finding differences (pdf) in a part of the brain called the hypothalamus between straight and gay men. But as Savic herself acknowledges, the study can't say whether the brain differences are inherited, or result from abnormally high or low exposure in the womb to sex hormones such as testosterone. Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0801566105) I can't see a problem with gay parents myself, overly camp parents yes, but not gay parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deags Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Time to quote Stephen K Amos. "Gays are gay." "You want Sydney for that!" All I have to say on the issue is that is is not normal* therefore do not expect others to accept it right away and if one chooses to flaunt the fact that one is not normal* around others one must not expect to receive no ridicule. * normal (conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal) "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal diplomatic relations"; "normal working hours"; "normal word order"; "normal curiosity"; "the normal course of events" Some quick views with no thought out paragraph. A marriage is the union between a man(male) and a woman(female). A relationship is a way people are connected to each other. All children should have some sort of motherly and father influence directly or indirectly. Lindsay Lohan is hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevronX Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Doesn't bother me at all. People are just people after all. We shouldn't be worried about this kind of thing and we should be exploring space at the moment in awesome interstellar vessels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 My view on gays is from outside the window, in a tree, with binoculars... masturbating. Wait... what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 All I have to say on the issue is that is is not normal* therefore do not expect others to accept it right away and if one chooses to flaunt the fact that one is not normal* around others one must not expect to receive no ridicule. A marriage is the union between a man(male) and a woman(female). Only because lawyers and politicians decided that was the case, throughout history that wasn't the case. Homosexulaity is natural and "normal". What isn't natural is the cultural and religious stigma we have attached to it (and that goes for both the celebration and oppression of homosexuality. Read: http://www.pinke.biz/articles/39/Historica...owboys-on-Boys/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece The Abrahamic faiths seem to be an exception to the rule regarding homosexuality especially some of the byzantine contributers to the Christian faith before the great schism. Also marriage has only recently become just about the love, for much of the world still and for much of history marriage has been a way to control wealth, property and women. All children should have some sort of motherly and father influence directly or indirectly. Yes, and if not directly from the parents it should come from the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve8x Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 heh, mostly i screw wiht peoples heads, my good guy friend is VERY Flammboyant so we hold hands everyonce inawhile and everyones like "Isn't he gay? Isn't She a lesbian? Don't they both have lovers?!" It's amusing. lol that post reminds me of a while ago when me and my friends were downtown! We stopped at a fast food place to eat, and we went through the drive through, there was this crazy girl at the drive through... She was all being loud and thinking my friend said something about her, and she was like what did you say? My friend was like nothing but she said I heard you... So anyway her co-worker came up and was like don't mind HIM He's very flamboyant!! lolz! Me and my friends couldn't believe it, the She was actually a guy! Yeah we decided that we would never go to that place again! only because that guy was very obnoxious and delayed us when we just wanted to get out of there ;) Yeah well anyway I'm fine with gay people as long as they leave me alone when I tell them I'm not gay! Although I do think gay marriage is taking it a little to far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Yeah well anyway I'm fine with gay people as long as they leave me alone when I tell them I'm not gay! Although I do think gay marriage is taking it a little to far! I don't believe in marriage in general, but in terms of the legal institution of marriage I don't see why it should apply to exclusively heterosexual couples. Some people might argue marriage is a religious institution, but if that's the case why are they still regulated by the government and given special benefits even in secular countries? I'd say the religious ceremony is separate from the legal institution, and there's not really any reason for the restrictions on the latter. Having a separate but equal thing like civil partnerships seems a bit pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swathe Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Personally, I have never agreed with homosexuality. I've given up on the debate on whether it's hardwired or simply a lifestyle choice because as far as I am aware nobody knows for certain and it's probably a bit of both. I am certainly not a follower of religion so I won't be spouting out Christian rheteoric. I personally don't wish to see gay couples kissing etc in public and I certainly don't beleive they should be able to adopt children as there are plenty of people who physically are unable to conceive naturally or can't afford IVF treatment. I know I will get flamed to the nth degree but this is merely my opinion. I am sure many gay people are great to know, I just find it uncomfortable to be around them. I have 3 children too and don't particularly want them to see two grown men kissing in public as they are only learning the natural way the human species behave. Gay marriage is something I don't have a real opinion on. By not agreeing with homosexuality I guess by default I am against gay marriage aswell. I am only against the act of homosexuality, not the people who who engage in it. I hope you guys see what I am trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deags Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Personally, I have never agreed with homosexuality. I've given up on the debate on whether it's hardwired or simply a lifestyle choice because as far as I am aware nobody knows for certain and it's probably a bit of both. I am certainly not a follower of religion so I won't be spouting out Christian rheteoric. I personally don't wish to see gay couples kissing etc in public and I certainly don't beleive they should be able to adopt children as there are plenty of people who physically are unable to conceive naturally or can't afford IVF treatment. I know I will get flamed to the nth degree but this is merely my opinion. I am sure many gay people are great to know, I just find it uncomfortable to be around them. I have 3 children too and don't particularly want them to see two grown men kissing in public as they are only learning the natural way the human species behave. Gay marriage is something I don't have a real opinion on. By not agreeing with homosexuality I guess by default I am against gay marriage aswell. I am only against the act of homosexuality, not the people who who engage in it. I hope you guys see what I am trying to say. Can't argue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Personally, I have never agreed with homosexuality. By that do you mean you just have a personal distaste for the idea or that you don't think it should be legal? You have the right to believe whatever you want, but I don't think you have the right to dictate what other people can do between themselves. I certainly don't beleive they should be able to adopt children as there are plenty of people who physically are unable to conceive naturally or can't afford IVF treatment. I don't really know what you mean here, it's not like there is a surplus of people wanting to adopt and a shortage of children which are being given to gays over straight couples (if anything it's the opposite, a lot of agencies won't accept gay couples), there are always children that need a home. I have 3 children too and don't particularly want them to see two grown men kissing in public as they are only learning the natural way the human species behave. What do you mean? People and countless animals display homosexual behaviour, it is natural. It's been documented so many times in the animal kingdom it's not really worth mentioning a specific case, a cursory search with a search engine will provide masses of evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swathe Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Just because something occurs does not make it natural. A chemical imbalance in naturally occuring, yet can provoke un-natural behaviour. Not once in my post did I dictate to anyone that my beleifs were the be all and end all. I too can point to arguements. There are people who are naturaly compelled to murder, steal, molest children and fornicate with animals. Do we accept that as an exscuse? I accept that there are people who classify themselves as gay. I don't agree with it in principal and that is fine. There would no doubt be plenty of great people who are gay, it doesn't mean I have to agree with their lifestyle choice, just as people dislike smokers etc. I tried to post in a way that gave my opinion without upsetting anyone and it kind of irks me when I hae to be on the defensive and justify my opinion to the nth degree when it's social minorities that claim persecution and discrimination. If you want to be gay, be gay. Your chocie. I don't agree with it. My choice. I think i have been pretty civil regarding the matter. If I haven't, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 But homosexuality doesn't hurt people, like the things your comparing it to (because yes, wanting to fuck somone of the same gender is in the same ball park as murder or child abuse...). I just don't get why you can't see past your own hang-ups here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swathe Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 But homosexuality doesn't hurt people, like the things your comparing it to (because yes, wanting to fuck somone of the same gender is in the same ball park as murder or child abuse...). I just don't get why you can't see past your own hang-ups here. Sigh, I'm not saying gay sex is is bad as murder etc. If you read it i am just pointing out that some people are naturally compelled to do what is an un-natural act. And if if I don't agree with something does that mean I have hang ups. Nobody agrees with everything all the time. Everyone has hang ups of some kind. For christs sake, the thread is called your view's on gays, not "tell us what you think of gay people but be warned your opinion better be in favour or we'll give you shit." I will not bow to preassure and change my opinions because some of you don't agree, and I''m not asking anyone else to change theirs. There is too much "getting on the high horse" and looking down at people in this thread. For god's sake let people express their opinion freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I believe it is nature's way of balancing, because if every person were strait, that would DRAMATICALLY increase the number of children being born, and the world could not cope with the amount of resources it has, so Homesexuallity is to lower the amount of children being born, so the world can cope with the amount of people taking its resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Sigh, I'm not saying gay sex is is bad as murder etc. If you read it i am just pointing out that some people are naturally compelled to do what is an un-natural act. And if if I don't agree with something does that mean I have hang ups. Nobody agrees with everything all the time. Everyone has hang ups of some kind. For christs sake, the thread is called your view's on gays, not "tell us what you think of gay people but be warned your opinion better be in favour or we'll give you shit." I will not bow to preassure and change my opinions because some of you don't agree, and I''m not asking anyone else to change theirs. There is too much "getting on the high horse" and looking down at people in this thread. For god's sake let people express their opinion freely. Since when has debating an issue and being asked to expound upon your statements been classed as giving you shit? I want to know why you consider a natural process (able to produce something that is un-natural? And why do you think homosexuality is un-natural? I'm not asking you to change your opinions, I'm just interested to know why you hold them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swathe Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hmm it seems a post of mine has been deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Seems like the entire forum has been rolled back to an earlier version of the database. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroZeppelin Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Coming from a broken "strait" religious home. I can safety say it has left me agnostic and not so much wanting to meddle in the affairs of other people and what they do on their off time. Having a son has made me realize that I honestly don't care. I'm strait, if he is gay I will love him unconditionally, if he is religious or not I will love him unconditionally. If he is republican I will cry, then love him unconditionally (j/k) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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