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I wonder, wouldn't it be good enough if we just captured the files with their

meaningless alphanumeric names and no .MP3 tagging at all?  After all, who's

looking at their player's display every three minutes or so just to learn a title

and a name?  Perhaps we should try to break this problem into small chunks:

phase one would be about raw capture, phase two would be optional and

attempt to match the cover picture with its song while phase three pushes

identification to full completion but using ressources external to Pandora...

If Pandora is satisfied that most people will settle for raw time-shifting then

this project might become somewhat more viable, who knows?  Being a

minority among a minority should make the phase three guys negligeable.

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I wonder, wouldn't it be good enough if we just captured the files with their

meaningless alphanumeric names and no .MP3 tagging at all?  After all, who's

looking at their player's display every three minutes or so just to learn a title

and a name?  Perhaps we should try to break this problem into small chunks:

phase one would be about raw capture, phase two would be optional and

attempt to match the cover picture with its song while phase three pushes

identification to full completion but using ressources external to Pandora...

If Pandora is satisfied that most people will settle for raw time-shifting then

this project might become somewhat more viable, who knows?  Being a

minority among a minority should make the phase three guys negligeable.

I think you are underestimating the importance of the ID3 Tagging.  There are other products that do a raw capture - Orbitz to name one.

Pandora's Jar is one of few products that tag as well.

Not to invalidate your point but the tagging is of great importance to me.  If viewing the project in three phases makes it easier to develop then I'm all for that.

-Spencer Money

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Of course, i prefer to have the .MP3 tags myself since that's essential

for a better exploration of Pandora's continuous musical entertainment;

maybe there could be multiple levels of functionality to this project:

i'd rather choose the option to time-shift something than nothing at all.

Somebody has mentioned slacker-dot-com recently and radioblogclub.com

already got its FireFox add-on, the modular approach might help to gather

supplementary resources to replace Last.FM and/or CDDB when they fail...

So, far from having a definite position i actually welcome feed-back!

:-)

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Hi everyone,

Sometimes i get ideas while in the bathroom, under

the shower or elsewhere...  Obviously, the concept

of TimeShifting in its present form suffers from a

major flaw:  Pandora can't approve it because it's

a fundamental violation of their license;  i mean,

right now we're simply discussing about collecting

individually tagged songs which can be groupped as

albums that we can play at will while Pandora is a

radio instead of a jukebox for P2P leeches.  Maybe

TimeShifting would become more acceptable if radio

sessions were turned into monolithic blocs that we

don't need to break into author/album/title pieces

at all.  It shouldn't matter that such a technique

would be incompatible with using MP3 players which

can retain some degree of freedom with the help of

short-range FM retransmission, anyway;  Pandora is

not trying to be anything else than an INet radio,

after all.  Isn't the main goal of TimeShifting to

get rid of clock-related constraints or is it just

to exploit Pandora as something totally different?

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