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Apple Introduces the New iPhone i bet ya u'll gonna buy one asap it's in markets not only though u're gonna Say SCREW to the All Smart Phones who needs a balckberyy, imate or even palm when we have MAC OS X on a phone with iPod Included this is even more over than what MICROSHAFT would think as a solution.

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http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ :lol:

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as much as I hate the cult following that is the ipod.... I will always use the best product... and it appears this one wins.

it's as much as a PS3/XBOX360 if you signup for a 2 year contract with cingular thats a 200$ difference.

I can't wait to see some of the hacks that will come off this one... or the Zune v2

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If you get craptacular coverage from singular where you live, No Iphone for you!

Verizon is still the best coverage where I am, so looks like no drinking of the apple koolaid for me.

Too bad too, because I really like that thing and I'm ready for a new phone :(

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If you get craptacular coverage from singular where you live, No Iphone for you!

Verizon is still the best coverage where I am, so looks like no drinking of the apple koolaid for me.

Too bad too, because I really like that thing and I'm ready for a new phone :(

to my knowledge Verizon is GSM just make cingular (or someone else) unlock the phone for you.

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From what I've seen of the phone it isn't the revolution that they are trying to claim. It's just a gsm phone with a media player, camera and touchscreen. I've already got a phone in my pocket that has all that except for the touchscreen and I'm holding off judgment on the greatness of a that until I see how easily it scratches.

I also suspect that the camera might be a bit crap, mainly because he didn't demonstrate it but also because of the extremely small opening for it. It works on the laptops because the subject can be expected to always be in the same place and at least lighted by the screen, that isn't the case for a device like this.

It does seems to have some nicely done software though, which could indicate that they created a proper development environment for it and provide actually useful APIs instead of what you normally get for phones. If that is the case that would be the real reinvention of the phone. A phone where you are invited to develop nice applications using all it's capabilities without needing to bribe it's creators would be something truly new. I really hope the other companies would clone that as well and don't just slap the Apple skin on their existing products and walk away.

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iPhone is awesome (restrictions apply)

So, after watching the iPhone announcement—the gadget we've all been jonesing for—what's the first thing we all do? That's right, figure out all the things that are wrong with it and why it's not going to be the "killer app" for Apple. It happened to the iPod, why not the iPhone. Here's my take on the caveats... and before you all howl, Clint specifically asked me to render an opinion. Editor's note: ;)

* Cost: The price point hurts! It's $499 for for 4G and $599 for 8G. So as not to be stupid about it, that's $500 and $600 for a phone. And apparently, that's with a 2 year carrier agreement! The Tyler household isn't going to be springing for one of these any time soon at that price. Will businesses? Quite possibly, because as extensible phones go, that's not a huge price. Also, we should keep in mind the application of Moore's Law. The iPhone costs a bundle now. In a year, it won't. The price will go down through technology improvements, economies of scale, so forth and et cetera.

And, let's all remember that when the RAZR came out, it was $500. I just got mine for $30 with a 2-year contract right before Christmas. As they say at Wal*Mart, "Watch out for falling prices." Also note, that this is a high-end phone plus the best music player on the planet. A 4G iPod Nano costs $200 already. Another $300 for an extensible phone suddenly might not seem too outrageous, especially if you already carry too many gadgets. I still want one.

* Cingular: There's no cell phone plan information yet from Cingular. Cingular trumpets the fact that it doesn't drop calls... but everyone I seem to hear from hates them (I have T-Mobile, so no personal experience here). Plus, add the fact that Cingular bought AT&T Wireless because AT&T had such awful customer service that business was crappy. When Cingular actually did well, AT&T bought Cingular back. Brings up the question, "Is AT&T going to suck less as a cellular carrier the second time around?" Remains to be seen. All in all, the fact that the iPhone is not carrier independent is making lots of people unhappy (including me).

* No 3G: This is a hardware issue, so for first-generation adopters it may be a biggie. Business users or tech enthusiasts with a thirst for the latest and greatest are going to care, big time. A case can be made that the price point of the iPhone puts it solidly in the business and enthusiast market. On the other hand, those of us, like me who are woefully behind the technology curve when it comes to cell phones, are not going to care much. Presently, Cingular doesn't even support 3G in all its markets (and in those, coverage isn't extensive), so it's hardly worth paying for the circuitry when it can't be used. In a year, the iPhone may indeed support 3G.

* No WiFi sync to iTunes: it strikes me that this is a software-only "problem." At present, no iPod syncs over WiFi (no iPod has WiFi). Once the software supports it (and there's no reason I can see that it can't) it'll happen.

* No over-the-air downloads from iTunes store: This is a direct result of slow data speeds. See 3G above.

* No removable memory: I saw this in a blog somewhere... can I laugh hysterically now? I mean, when I went to put a ringtone on my RAZR (God, I hate that phone), I couldn't copy a whole MP3 onto it (and you should have seen the uncommunicative error it threw). There wasn't enough memory for a 3MB file. Are 4 gigs somehow not enough that we need an extra 1GB removable memory? Color me as not getting this complaint at all.

* Battery life issues: Here's a potential problem. You get 5 hours of talk or video and 16 hours of audio (no mention of how much standby time you get). If you're surfing and watching and listening when you're not talking, this could be a potentially huge issue, especially since you can't just keep an extra charged battery and swap them out.

* No MS Exchange or Office support: This is a potential biggie to business users. Consumers aren't going to give a flying fart. But since the iPhone is extensible and runs actual Mac OS X, there is simply no reason that Exchange support can't be added. There is no reason that it can't support Office documents. None. Big deal at first? Maybe. Big deal forever? Doubt it.

* Not extensible by third parties: This is probably the biggest long-range caveat. If Apple locks down the iPhone permanently to all third-party developers, it's going to weaken the platform in the long run. Third party developers are the lifeblood of almost any platform. For business reasons, they can do things that a large company like Apple cannot do. However, it will be interesting to see if Apple uses the certification of third party products as a revenue stream (something like SalesForce's App Exchange). I strongly suspect that somehow, somewhen, third party apps will make it to the iPhone, especially if companies like EA Games, which is pushing hard into iPod games market starts leaning on Apple for a portal into the iPhone.

These are the potential "issues" we see with the iPhone given the limited information we have less than 24 hours after the initial announcement. Do you guys see any of these points as moot? Did we miss any?

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/1/10/6559

Personally, I think its a very apply take on the cell phone concept. Expensive, closed platform and very consumer orientated. Its good, but we all know that within 6 months every single east-Asian company with a vague interest in phones will have a better, cheaper and more open handset on the market. Plus, my treo plays videos, mp3's, has removable memory & battery's and has been doing happily for a year now. It amazes me how much geeks love Apple given how propitiatory and closed there stuff actually is.

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If you're surfing and watching and listening when you're not talking, this could be a potentially huge issue, especially since you can't just keep an extra charged battery and swap them out.

Wow, I didn't catch that. Jobs hypnotised me again, dammit.

That's one issue I have with my Nano. Can't swap a battery. Every other mobile device, I always upgrade to the extended battery, if available, asap.

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yeah right people keeep moving with ur memory cards/sticks or wt ever + make sure that u dnt forget your iPod + dnt forget also to charge them both ur Mobile/PDA/SmartPhone and ur iPod too.

yeah right go and surf the WAP

yeah right go and keep using ur interface

yeah right buy a new chineese product less pricey (Apple Patent the touch screen)

yeah right go and keep using the silly phones with their tiny OS capabilities rather than using the OSX

yeah right keeep taking your photos with your camera or mobile and leave that in the iPhone built in (Also remember that Steve Jobs was talking about high digital photos and stuff like dat so surely they didnt make a waste + NaNo is small doesnt that make it worse???!? HELL NO)

leave a shell BSD/Darwin one

looooooooooool

nothin to add

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What you don't realize is that the price of the iPhone is only 500 and 600 with a new contract. What happens if it breaks? Cingular doesn't offer insurance to their high end phones. How much will a replacement cost? 500 and 600 is a discounted price that you get with a new contract.

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yeah right go and surf the WAP

WAP? No one has used WAP seriously since the 90's... most phones can can handle more than just wap now.

yeah right go and keep using ur interface

Its a phone, its either in my pocket, pressed against my face or I'm using it for a job.

yeah right buy a new chineese product less pricey (Apple Patent the touch screen)

They can try, but a touch screen isn't exactly a new or breathtaking idea. They can patent how they did it, but the nebulous concept of a touch screen being new isn't going to fly outside of the US patent courts.

yeah right go and keep using the silly phones with their tiny OS capabilities rather than using the OSX

OSX pisses me off at the best of times.

yeah right keeep taking your photos with your camera or mobile and leave that in the iPhone built in (Also remember that Steve Jobs was talking about high digital photos and stuff like dat so surely they didnt make a waste + NaNo is small doesnt that make it worse???!? HELL NO)

I have a SLR, the cameras you find in phones are just toys. This is due to physics, which even Mr Jobs ego can't defy.

Its a high end snazzy fashion phone with a PS3 style price tag, Apple's marketing team and a samsung dev team. Its not interesting for me right now.

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About that "it runs OS X" claim some like to throw around. It is complete bs. Steve "You would buy my toe nail clippings if I wrapped them nice" Jobs did a very good job of selling that idea but in reality outside the distortion field it just isn't feasible. More likely is that whatever it is running is as much OS X as Windows Mobile or CE is Windows. That is you get similar APIs and background services but putting an existing app on it is not just a matter of recompiling it for another processor. Instead it is a rather large job with lots of optimizations and fixes for the specific platform including creating a completely new user interface.

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Just saw something that made the iPhone into a worthless and antiquated lump of shiny technology and the whole "it runs OS X" thing completely irrelevant. No one except Apple or Apple certified 3rd party developers are going to be allowed to put anything on it.

NY Times interview with Steve Jobs

The only new thing in it is the software platform and now he says no one except him is allowed to play with it? Bah!

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“These are devices that need to work, and you can’t do that if you load any software on them,†he said. “That doesn’t mean there’s not going to be software to buy that you can load on them coming from us. It doesn’t mean we have to write it all, but it means it has to be more of a controlled environment.â€

What is he smoking? And where can I buy it? Never had a problem with software on the nokias and treo I have. Why are apple still talking about there phone like there fighting Microsoft.

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I think it is less about smoking something and more about keeping cingular satisfied and a free skype/gizmo client probably wouldn't make them very happy. The risk of Microsoft doing a windows media player for it might be scary as well.

I'm curious if they are going to keep the lock down for the European release too since the acceptance for such silly behavior is much lower here. It was several years since I had a phone that couldn't at least run some Java applications and my phones haven't been high end either.

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