hgate73 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I am currently using a Compaq DL580 rackmount server (4u) to generate a set of NTLM tables, 1-14 characters. Is anyone interested in helping? I know they'll come in useful when Vista hits mainstream (it uses NTLM hashes by default). It is a 4-CPU box, each CPU at 700MHz each. I've assigned each CPU to a set of tables (Indices 0, 1, and 2 respectively), reserving CPU 0 for system/OS operation. I'm wondering if anyone would be willing to help out generating Indices 3, 4 and 5. Otherwise, I'll post here when they're done with a link to the .torrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 http://hak5.org/wiki/Community_Rainbow_Tables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSpike Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I think the complete MD5 table is next in line for the rainbow table project, I could be mistaken though. Theres plans for a group discussion sometime after the New Year. Rainbow Table Thread-> http://www.hak5.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4320&start=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgate73 Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 http://hak5.org/wiki/Community_Rainbow_Tables? @Sparda, Thank-you for the link. Those aren't NTLM though - they're LM. Vista will use NTLM only (with LM available as a back-compat option). AFAIK I am the only one working on a set of NTLM tables. I'll be glad to help out with MD5 once I'm done with the NTLM set, but I won't interrupt NTLM because (for me anyway) it'll come in more useful later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneE1se Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I haven't been keeping up with the rainbow tables but what happens if we come to a computer that uses salt make the md5 tables useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgate73 Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 I haven't been keeping up with the rainbow tables but what happens if we come to a computer that uses salt make the md5 tables useless. They're useless, like you just said. If the hash is salted, rainbow tables are worthless. They only work on "straight/plain" MD5 hashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Kitchen Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 My vote is for NTLM tables over MD5 tables, or at least I can see a more practical application for them right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSpike Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 True, It would be fun having the tables to crack hashes for vista before it even becomes mainstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgate73 Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 Well, I had to reboot the server today (Windows updates...sigh), and WinRTGen went back to the 1st table in each set at 90%. (it was barely started with the second table in each set anyway, so I only lost about 1 day of work) I figured the NTLM tables would be useful a lot sooner, since there are already various MD5 tables scattered around the Internet. I'm new here, and I'll confess I haven't read the FAQ yet - but should I start an official 'project'? (can I start an official project?) Alternatively I would sure appreciate anyone who can lend a few spare cycles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSpike Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 You should probably talk with Silivrenion. He's sort of the manager of the rainbow tables project. If your NTLM table becomes approved as the new Community Rainbow Tables project, you can count me in. My only issue is the stupid 56k dial-up *sigh* but be assured there will be DVD's in the mail full of RT goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silivrenion Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 The Community Rainbow Tables project has been thinking about what the next technology will be, however no final plans have been set for the next one. The majority of people voted MD5, but we'll have a meeting coming up soon to allow people to voice their opinions. If you want to integrate the NTLM tables with the Community Rainbow Tables project, please contact me in the RainbowTables channel, irc.hak5.org #RainbowTables and we can discuss what set you've begun to generate, and whether it'll make sense to continue it via the community. Also, keep an eye on rtables.blogspot.com, specifically the RSS feed of the page.. news for the Community Rainbow Tables project is submitted there. If you have any questions, again, feel free to ask in the IRC channel Kudos on the ideas, Silivrenion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silivrenion Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 This topic has been added to the CRT meeting agenda. http://www.hak5.org/wiki/Community_Rainbow.../Meeting_Agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgate73 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 ...If you want to integrate the NTLM tables with the Community Rainbow Tables project, please contact me in the RainbowTables channel, irc.hak5.org #RainbowTables and we can discuss what set you've begun to generate, and whether it'll make sense to continue it via the community.Silivrenion Silivrenion, thanks for the quick reply. I don't want to sound like a complete idiot, but I've never used IRC. I've got GAIM installed, but the IRC setup is confusing. Is there a good guide anywhere? I'm too lazy to Google EDIT: Nevermind - I got it working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deveant Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 ive currently got a Dserver sitting doing nothink, im more than willing to host / bot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgate73 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 There is a screen capture of the server (and the tables in progress) here: http://getfile.biz/58115 Taken this morning @ 12:13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflux Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 What we need is OphCrack for NTLM hashes. Maby since with HD-DVD and Blueray being introduced to the market you can store alot more hash values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgate73 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 That would be handy. The problem is NTLM hashes don't get split into two 7-character segments like LM, and (I think) they're a lot bigger. HD/Blu-Ray would be a great way to distribute them, but most people won't have a HD/BR drive for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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