Darkmist! Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 what does the community think of the Ananonabox that is coming out? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router it seems promising but i have heard some bad things how its just a router that has more ram on it and the creator is leaving it for devs to finish. could we create our own project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Start reading here. You could create something like that yourself, but the question really is: Why bother? Being anonymous is a concious decision you need to make before you begin this endeavour. If you're not careful you can still be targeted. Log into your gmail once from your TOR-protected session and voila! Your identity is now known to all of humanity (well, Google, but that's almost the same thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry99705 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 what does the community think of the Ananonabox that is coming out? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router it seems promising but i have heard some bad things how its just a router that has more ram on it and the creator is leaving it for devs to finish. could we create our own project? Kos just needs to update his tor module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaraByte Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 http://www.dailydot.com/politics/anonabox-accusations/ Welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitwon Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 The broader problem with Anonabox is that it's just plain dangerous. It's the type of product that gets people killed.Anonymity is hard. Very hard. It's never going to be as simple or as easy as plugging a box into your network. The developers of Tor recommend using TBB or Tails for very good reasons. Your browser (and all your other network-aware applications) will leak far more information than even sophisticated users tend to realize, and it is far from trivial to configure your browser securely and browse the Internet safely while remaining anonymous. So difficult, that if you manage to do everything properly you would probably stick out like a sore thumb because you'd be one of a very small number of users to do so.Products like this prey on people who need real security but lack the skills and sophistication to do it properly. It lulls them into a false sense of security where they are more likely to put themselves at risk and put themselves and/or those they care about in harms way.I don't recommend this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Protocol Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I dunno about getting people killed. But the whole topic of the project is re-selling Chinese made routers and claiming custom made, then backpedaling. https://twitter.com/Mr_Protocol/status/522531476311527424 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaraByte Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/16/this-debunked-kickstarter-project-may-be-the-biggest-crowdfounding-fail-to-date/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armaal Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 MmmhBuisness ?Owned guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer_Security Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Now if I plugged a xbox into this would that anonimize the ip because that would be interesting since there is nothing on the market that could do that right now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Dibs on the marketing name "Anonxbox"! Called it. And no, since the anonabox is a vaporware lump of overpriced plastic that, given the current batch of bad publicity, probably never will be built anymore. Did you actually read any of the comments posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer_Security Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Dibs on the marketing name "Anonxbox"! Called it. And no, since the anonabox is a vaporware lump of overpriced plastic that, given the current batch of bad publicity, probably never will be built anymore. Did you actually read any of the comments posted? no i just had this idea and wanted to post it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitwon Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Now if I plugged a xbox into this would that anonimize the ip because that would be interesting since there is nothing on the market that could do that right now??? The OnionPi already does exactly the same thing. A $30 RaspberryPi plus some free software and documentation are already available on the market right now to do this. But it's not secure, so if you build one, don't use it to do anything stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer_Security Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The OnionPi already does exactly the same thing. A $30 RaspberryPi plus some free software and documentation are already available on the market right now to do this. But it's not secure, so if you build one, don't use it to do anything stupid. could you elaborate on what you mean by its not secure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Protocol Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 could you elaborate on what you mean by its not secure I think he may be referring to Tor itself not being secure, and it's not. It can be de-anonymized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitwon Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 could you elaborate on what you mean by its not secure Tor may be reasonably secure at anonymizing your traffic at OSI Layer 4, however all the layers above that are unprotected by Tor. Unless you are using applications which were specifically configured/designed to protect your anonymity, your computer/devices are likely to leak identifiable information about you and undo the advantages of using Tor. Devices like the Anonabox or Onion Pi are designed for convenience. To allow you to use your normal web browser over the Tor network. However convenience and security are always at odds with each other. Your normal browser for web surfing is almost certainly not properly secured for protecting your anonymity on Tor. It's for these very reasons that the Tor Browser Bundle and Tails were created. They provide you with a safe(er) environment in which to browse the web without leaking as much about your identity. So Anonabox and Onion Pi both encourage an unsafe way of using Tor. They give you a false sense of security, where you expect your identity to be protected but the rest of the system is actually giving away identifiable information about you. This is dangerous. The recent Hak5 episode on OpenGarden discusses some very similar issues. The OpenGarden mesh is promoting itself as a tool for protesters, but by using OpenGarden they are literally broadcasting their position and identity in the clear over 2.4GHz (whether over WiFi or Bluetooth). So a government goon could easily single them out. Talk to your local Hams about "fox hunting" if you want to learn about how easy it is to find an offending station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytedeez Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 lets just be honest. This is nothing new. You can do the same thing with any dd-wrt or open-wrt router. Also i like a separation in the between using a regular network and tor. I have different "rules of use" for each set-up. If tor was constantly running in the background of a router, like MR. Cooper pointed out, you probably wouldn't stay "anonymous" for long. This also brings me to another point, Tor in no longer Anonymous, It is an added layer of protection and does make it more difficult to track, but not anonymous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Protocol Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 To be honest, it never was anonymous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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