[Split Topic] Complaints

[ZorprimeSDF1]

Greetings Everyone,

I too have experience the same performance issue(s) as well. I won't go into details. What I have a major beef is. Darren, this product was marketed as a wireless pen testing tool. Correct. Now I see infusions for monitoring Airplanes, AM -FM Radio, Drones.

To me that makes this product loses its creditability as Wi-Fi Pen testing tool as so you marketed as.

Now it seems like a toy.

Please tell me if I wrong. Still love the show. I just think Hak5 lost it way.

[xrad]

Greetings Everyone,

I too have experience the same performance issue(s) as well. I won't go into details. What I have a major beef is. Darren, this product was marketed as a wireless pen testing tool. Correct. Now I see infusions for monitoring Airplanes, AM -FM Radio, Drones.

To me that makes this product loses its creditability as Wi-Fi Pen testing tool as so you marketed as.

Now it seems like a toy.

Please tell me if I wrong. Still love the show. I just think Hak5 lost it way.

So Random Rolll and occupineapple are not "play" infusions for what you would call a "toy"? What's the "legit" pentesting uses for those?

I believe the infusions you mentioned, are in preparation for the release of the hackrf, which would fall into the category of "legitimate pentesting".

Here's an idea, don't install those infusions, then you would have your "pentesting tool" and not a so called "toy"

Are you saying, "we shouldn't have fun, this is serious pentesting"?

Edited May 7, 2014 by xrad

[ZorprimeSDF1]

Here is my question back to you. How was this the WiFi Pineapple Marketed as ?

http://wiki.wifipineapple.com/index.php/Main_Page

"The WiFi Pineapple Mark V is the latest generation wireless network auditing tool from Hak5."

You are totally missing the point. I don't think Darren and the developers of this product should not have even included that is as a infustion.

Here is a question. Maybe they should be split.

[Xcellerator]

You do realise that anyone can make an infusion? For the most part they are PHP wrappers for executables.

Yes, the pineapple is first a foremost a penetration testing and network audit tool, but why not through in support for radio? I guarantee that someone out there has a use for distributed radios.

The pineapple is just a tool, and a an expansive tool at that, so I don't get how you can criticise the developers and anyone else involved in the the project for making it as useful as possible to as many people as possible.

[Merlintime]

Greetings Everyone,

I too have experience the same performance issue(s) as well. I won't go into details. What I have a major beef is. Darren, this product was marketed as a wireless pen testing tool. Correct. Now I see infusions for monitoring Airplanes, AM -FM Radio, Drones.

To me that makes this product loses its creditability as Wi-Fi Pen testing tool as so you marketed as.

Now it seems like a toy.

Please tell me if I wrong. Still love the show. I just think Hak5 lost it way.

Having those infusions available to the WiFi Pineapple community does not cause the device to lose it's credibility (in my opinion). Many of the infusion are made by members of the Pineapple community and allows us to use the Pineapple however we wish. If your desire is to use the WiFi Pineapple solely as a WiFi pen-testing tool, then by all means do not install the undesired infusions. That's the beauty of a community developing and supporting infusions and the freedom of choice. Pen-testing tool or educational tool, it's up to the owner.

I'm enjoying working with my education toy. :)

[cheeto]

Nothing to split hairs over. Use the product as you may.

[Sebkinne]

Hey everyone,

I took the liberty to split this topic from the Pineapple AP is Incredibly Slow/Inconsistent thread, as it the above posts are not on topic.

Best Regards,

Sebkinne

[phpsystems]

Actually, the majority of infusions you mention as making the wifi pineapple a toy, do have their place for pentesting. Who said the pineapple's scope was limited to wifi?

[ZorprimeSDF1]

Xcellerator - Thank you for responding to my post. I want to make this very clear. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Darren Kitchen and everyone at Hak5. I will continue to support them. That being said, in phpsystems post “ Stream your radio from your SDR via the Wifi Pineapple: RTLRadioStreamer “

The Wi-Fi Pineapple was and is marketed at as Wireless network pentesting tool. How is streaming your radio with the Mark V a legitimate use of that tool ?

If I want to stream music I sure as heck am not using the Mark V.

Please note. I am not basing on Darren at all, or Hak5. I totally respect the show. I am opening a dialog.

Please any comments are welcome.

[pabo2uk]

I think this is an issue you should have kept to yourself. 99% of Pineapple users are very happy with the way its developing. You have raised a childish, insignificant and trivial point!

#pointless!

[phpsystems]

Radio encompasses a lot more than just music.

Radio can be used for security, just as the monitoring of it be used for pentesting. I remember watching a conference talk on the subject with the target being a casino and the guy was able to listen in to the walkie talkies.

Pentesting is about thinking outside the box.

[overwraith]

Some dentistry and medical equipment transmits packets in the clear. Software defined radio could be useful for scenarios such as that. They also use nonconventional radio spectrums that are hard to sniff without a software defined radio.

Edited May 7, 2014 by overwraith

[fringes]

"New Shimmer is a floor wax and a dessert topping."

It's a small, lightweight Linux box with a USB adapter, 2 WiFi adapters, Ethernet, extensible support for custom tools/applications, and more. So Darren wants to play with SDRs and drones; it seems like using the pineapple is a natural choice.

Edited May 7, 2014 by fringes

[ZorprimeSDF1]

Frist , I would like to thank "phpsystems" , " overwraith , Merlintime , cheeto, Xcellerator, overwraith and also fringes for your comments and feedback. Based upon what I read in your posting it definately made me do a 180. Those are very,very ligimate use cases. You are correct phpsystems "Pentesting is about thinking outside the box". Thank you for not being negive. You all have posted intellgence comments in a very respectfull manner, and I thank you for that.

Edited May 7, 2014 by ZorprimeSDF1

[yabasoya]

What I have a major beef is. Darren, this product was marketed as a wireless pen testing tool. Correct. Now I see infusions for monitoring Airplanes, AM -FM Radio, Drones.

To me that makes this product loses its creditability as Wi-Fi Pen testing tool as so you marketed as.

Now it seems like a toy.

Are you saying that Darren "Jumped the shark"?

[Xcellerator]

Although playing music through the pineapple does seem like a odd (even silly) idea, it opens the door to recieving all kinds of signals via the pineapple. The medical and dentistry stuff that overwraith mentioned are good examples.

Even signals that aren't in the clear, there are huge numbers of different signal modulating techniques are public available, as anyone who's played with POCSAG knows. I'm looking forward to see where the SDR route on the pineapple goes!

[Darren Kitchen]

Perhaps the WiFi Pineapple is morphing into the Wireless Pineapple? =)

"Sniff ALL THE PACKETS!"

I must say this complaint turned intellectual discussion ended very well and I must also commend ZorprimeSDF1 for both expressing his feelings and being open enough to see everyone elses point of view. This is why our community rocks! You should all be proud.