hakgipc Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 rightio i have a +4400 and my interpritation of what it means is that it is 4400mhz clock spead but i dont know what the + means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Kitchen Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 The + is for added goodness. But no, it's not a 4.4 GHz chip. Here, this link should help you out a lot: http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Athlon-model-number.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 hi darren and yes i am aware of this but the speed in 1 core is 2.2ghz in total there is 4.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 No, the number 4400 means nothing, it's just a name, like kilobyte means 1024 bytes, it dosn't have to mean what it could mean. I have a AMD 64 3200+ and it's stock clock speed is 2GHz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 but doesnt 1kb mean 1000bytes and some other name mean 1024bytes :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 yes i know bu twhat im saying is that i have a 4.4ghz machine cause i have two 2.2ghz cores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 No, the number 4400 means nothing, it's just a name, like kilobyte means 1024 bytes, it dosn't have to mean what it could mean. I have a AMD 64 3200+ and it's stock clock speed is 2GHz. Err... sorry, I'm gonna have to politely ask that you stop using the boards to flame film... if you'd be so kind, I think that will help prevent flamewars ;) yes i know bu twhat im saying is that i have a 4.4ghz machine cause i have two 2.2ghz cores Well in answer to your original question, the + means nothing... you'll notice that all models of the Athlon and Sempton have the + so it's just used by AMD to make it sound cool... Edit: The model number always includes trailing '+' character to distinguish it from real processor speed. The numbers though don't mean anything either... they are model number originally created to state that a given chip can perform at the speed of a specified Intel equivilant product... Example: My AthlonXP 2100+ (1.73GHz) can, according to AMD perform at the same speed as a 2100MHz (or 2.1GHz) Intel Pentium 4. Example: Sparda's 3200+ (2.0GHz) can, according to AMD perform at the speed of a 3200MHz (or 3.2GHz) Intel Pentium 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 yes i know bu twhat im saying is that i have a 4.4ghz machine cause i have two 2.2ghz cores No, because your machine would run like a 2.2GHz Athlon in single threaded appplication. AMD have used a speed rating name system from the Athlon XP era, because they were the underdog to intel who was now pushing clock speed as what makes the CPU faster than others. As AMD had gone the other route making CPUs more efficent and have lower clock speeds if they just simply called it a 2.2GHz CPU most idiots would go and buy a 3.2GHz Intel. So the naming system originally was equivalent to the intel clock speed, so a 3200+ would be similar in speed to a 3.2GHz P4. However this has kind of gone out the window now with dual core and Intel moving also over to a performance rated naming system. Example, if your 4400+ was twice as powerful as a single core CPU it would be called the 7000+ because the 2.2GHz Athlon 64 is called the 3500+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 ok.. i herd that you plus the two cores to get the total spead of ur cpu is that correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Not really, no... while the two cores can technically do as much work as 2 single core CPUs, most regular programs aren't optimised for dual-core CPUs and with only run using 1 core... this means that the speed of your CPU for most applications is only the speed of 1 core. I'm not that up with the newer CPU technologies though so if anyone can correct me, please do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 In the example of a AMD X2 4400, you could say that each core is the equivilent of a AMD 64 2200. This does not mean each core runs at 2.2GHz, if I remeber correct the AMD 2200+s stock clock speed is 1.2GHz (probably wrong, I don't have a mind for numbers). In todays CPU market clockspeed and the name of the CPU means nothing. Basicly all it will tell you is that your CPU has one or two cores, and that it's faster then the one thats name is a smaller number then the one you are looking at. Nothing else. The only way to find out how much work the CPU can actualy do you need to look at benchmarking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlit Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 I think the 2200+ is 1.5GHz but what Sparda said there was pretty much right... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Example, if your 4400+ was twice as powerful as a single core CPU it would be called the 7000+ because the 2.2GHz Athlon 64 is called the 3500+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 does windows run using both cores or it uses 1 at a time? and will there be any programs in the near future to optimize the 2 cores use them both at the one time then we can call it 4.4ghz yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Windows is multi-cpu enabled, allowing it to address multiple cores. It depends on the program whether it can multi-threaded and can use more than one core. Programs that are tend to be specialised and in the professional sector such as CAD programs etc. Obviously more and more programs will become multi-threaded now that multi-core computers are more popular. I believe Quake 4 is one of the first multi-threaded games available atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I believe Quake 4 is one of the first multi-threaded games available atm. Yep, but you hve to have the latest patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 ok someone made a comment on amd not having a fsb ummm wel ur wrong it has both htt and fsb fsb meaning a bus that conect to northbrigde and htt meaning direct from cpu 2 ram experts correct me if im wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Athlon 64s don't have a FSB, there is no northbridge as the memory controller is found on the CPU die. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_side_bus Athlon 64, FX, and Opteron processors have a memory controller on the CPU die, which replaces the traditional FSB. The bus specifications given here are for the HyperTransport link and memory bandwidth. HyperTransport: Not technically a front side bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 ok then whats the 230 mhz bus speed in my cpu-z for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 in my bios it says fsb 230 p.s i have a fatal1ty mobo sli with hypertransport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64 As the memory controller is integrated onto the CPU die, there is no FSB for the system memory to base its speed upon. Instead, system memory speed is obtained by using the following formula (using the ceiling function): In simpler terms, the memory is always running at a set fraction of the CPU speed, with the divisor being a whole number. An 'FSB' figure is still used to determine the CPU speed, but the RAM speed is no longer directly related to this 'FSB' figure (known otherwise as the LDT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 When I link you to something because you have asked a question and can't be bothered to look for the answer yourself I expect you to read the link! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgipc Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 no you guys dont get my question ok what im asking is that in cpu -z it says bus speed = 230mhz and ht link = 1150mhz as a previous post someone saif amd64 do not use fsb they have htt, but then what is the 230mhz for and in bios it is under fsb =230 when i overclock it its fsb x multiplier but i thought there was no fsb as someone posted. now my question is that why does it say 230 under fsb when it uses hypertransport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 becasue thats what the motherboard manurfactur desided to call the CPU multiplier dispite it not been true (Do we have to get back on the the kilobyte = 1024 bytes argument again?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Do we have to get back on the the kilobyte = 1024 bytes argument again? You mean kibibyte jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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