Pineapple Jasager Router, Which To Puchase

[bobtheman]

what router to purchase for the DIY Pineapple

Ive read many forum threads, asked around in IRC, and seem to get conflicting answers. I have two questions so i will separate them.

1.What router is currently used for the Hak5 Pineapple?

I ask because i want to purchase my own router and flash it/set it up myself for the experience. If i understand correctly the fonera is discontinued and the Fon+ isnt compatible. I'm under the impression that currently the Hak5 store uses the Open Mesh router (which is also now discontinued per an older thread on the forums) and that the new open mesh mini router professional is not fully supported yet?

http://www.open-mesh.com/index.php/professional/professional-mini-router-us-plugs.html

thats my first question. My second question is regarding the FAQ for the pineapple, stating it works for up to 150 feet.

2) is it possible to extend the range of the pineapple, or purchase a different model router that may cost more but will give better performance ?

i also have a few other mini questions if anyone is interested

there was some talk about the jasager dev working with another project that worked on dd-wrt called piranha .. which that website seems to now be gone. Did this die off?

is there any updates coming to jasager? Is the dev still active, opensource? I would love to see something like .. firesheep incorporated

Thanks for your time and help

[Mr-Protocol]

1) you are correct

2) Higher gain antenna, not sure if you can do anything else to extend it.

[bobtheman]

am i right to assume that the pro mini open mesh router is better than the original and discontinued routers?

should i go ahead and order the openmesh mini pro under the assumption that jasager support will happen?

[Mr-Protocol]

Seb has a working (but still limited) working jasager firmware for the OM1P (open-mesh mini pro router). And yes it is better than previous routers per the list I got from Open-Mesh support:

+ hardware watchdog chip

+ higher power (100mw vs 60mw)

+ diversity antenna

+ improved main antenna

+ runs cooler

+ passive POE support 6-12v

+ works with our small outdoor & wallplug enclosures

[bobtheman]

so, i can safely purchase the prof open mesh mini with the expectation that it will be supported in the near future?

[Mr-Protocol]

Yes, Seb has done great work in getting as far as he did currently and he is still working on it.

If all else you can put dd-wrt on it.

[bobtheman]

i have been informed that Various openmesh devices have a device built in to reboot them every 5 minutes if they aren't running the original firmware. can anyone comment on this, and if the pro mini is one of those devices...

also, i am unable to locate the member Seb in the member list to ask questions directly, can someone link me to their profile

[Mr-Protocol]

Yes the OM1P has a hardware watchdog chip. But it is being worked on.

I am testing a beta firmware that Sebastian has put together.

[bobtheman]

who is sebastian, is he a member of the forums? can you link me to his/her profile please?

i mean, i could use the om1p for dd wrt if the jasager didnt work, but there are far better routers to purchase that i would prefer to have if i was just planning on using dd wrt.

not really sure how it works but, is jasager developed specifically for specific routers, or could it be installed on any router capable of running dd wrt?

[Mr-Protocol]

I'm not sure he wants people bothering him too much with it. He will make it public when it's deemed "Finished". So far I think there may only be a few people testing out the current firmware.

[bobtheman]

not sure of a better place to check for updates, but can you keep me posted please on the progress. Im interested in ordering a pro mini... but only if it works.

[Mr-Protocol]

As of right now I think Sebastian has a working firmware. Just not a pretty GUI yet. I need to check with him to see if he updated it since he sent me the firmware to test and confirm...

[bobtheman]

any idea if the development is more so geared towards updating everything to work with the new router due to the older routers being discontinued, or if there are by chance any new bells and whistles being added?

if i understand correctly, considering openmesh is adding the watchdog chips, i have to assume that they dont like us flashing the routers with customer firmwares and hacking them to do new things. with that said, if we are able to bypass the watchdog chip, isnt it conceivable that openmesh would again discontinue the new mini pro for a new updated router with new security measures ect ect ?

seems like it would be smarter to target manufactures of similar routers that wouldn't care or would promote our interests as it will increase sales of hardware.

[Mr-Protocol]

Scroll up like 8 posts. I posted the changes to this OM1P model from previous. Yes watchdog chip, Yes it's been worked around already.

[Laird_Dave]

Out of curiosity: How do you come to the conclusion the fonera+ doesn't work with Jasager? It works just fine for me....

Cheers

D

[Mr-Protocol]

It's not that the Fon+ doesnt work. It is that they are discontinued, as well as the older version of the Open-Mesh. Currently OM1P is under development.

[bobtheman]

any updates on the firmware mr. protocol?

[Mr-Protocol]

it will be made public when it is ready.

[bobtheman]

looks like the watchdog chip was more so created to protect the device from powerspikes and to reset the router when... it needs to be reset. I wonder if its possible if we could still utilise the chip on a custom firmware?

[Mr-Protocol]

The chip is in place to automatically reboot it when connectivity is lost or when it's locked up. Nothing really to do with power spikes. And as of right now, it will not be utilized due to the bypassing of it to keep the router on and not constantly rebooting. Plus for such situations as the Phishing Pineapple, it would reboot every 5 minutes.

[velkrosmaak]

can't believe this thread hasn't been updated in such a while, by someone as curious as me! is there any news on this?

[Mr-Protocol]

The newest firmware (See link in signature) works on OM1P and AP51.

[velkrosmaak]

Are there any implications of using the OM2P (http://www.openmesh-uk.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=41) compared to the OM1P? Other than increased signal coverage which is obviously desirable. Thanks for the update!

[Mr-Protocol]

According to open-mesh developer documentation, they use two different chipsets. Not sure if flashing with the compiled firmware would work or not. Also there would be no out-of-the-box functionality for the second LAN port. Mark 4 should be out soon enough.

OM1P:

Target System ->

Atheros AR231x/AR5312

OM2P:

Target System ->

Atheros AR71xx/AR7240/AR913x/AR934x

Also the layout of the board differs. The data pins are in different locations and possibly not the same board model at all.

OM1P:

baudrate is    : 9600
flowcontrol    : none
parity is      : none
databits are   : 8

With the ethernet jack in front of you, the pinout should look like this:

 +---+
 |GND|
 +---+
 |TXD|
 +---+
 |RXD|
 +---+
 |VCC|
 +---+
+-----+ +-----+     +---+
|Power| | LAN |     |Ant|

OM2P:

baudrate is    : 115200
flowcontrol    : none
parity is      : none
databits are   : 8

With the ethernet jacks in front of you, the pinout should look like this:

                    +---+
                    |RXD|
                    +---+
                    |TXD|
                    +---+
                    |GND|
                    +---+
                    |VCC|
                    +---+
+-----+ +----+----+ +---+
|Power| |LAN1|LAN2| |Ant|

[velkrosmaak]

Many thanks for the thorough response! Am I right in thinking that this will only support mk 2 firmware? Can't find any info on that on the wiki.

Cheers man!