"hack School Network"

[Mr-Protocol]

Is it just me or is it becoming more common for people to sign up and their first or so post be something about hacking a school network so they can do whatever they want. Am I the only one that is getting a bit annoyed with this? School networks have a reason for blocking what they want, If you don't like it, buy a 3g usb dongle and use your own internet.

[Sparda]

It's because they went back to school recently.

[Mr-Protocol]

It's because they went back to school recently.

I work at a college so I have no clue when school typically starts for the younger crowd because we have classes happening all year round. Instead of asking us how to get around it, they should use their at-home time (after homework of course) to learn about networks and how things work. Instead they just look for a quick answer and learn nothing.

It's like the video I recently watched that was posted on the forums about some kid using tracert thinking that all the IP's (10 of them) that it found were the IP's of people that were actively on google.com. Sometimes I really hate the internet. They should have an "internet license" like they were rumoring a few years back.

[okiwan]

what i hate more then that is spam trying to sell CC numbers. now that i REALLY hate. an its several threads in every sub forum. i cant stand it. but yes kids trying to get passed there school restrictions is annoying too. they must have google blocked too if they cant figure it out. (sarcasm)

Edited October 13, 2010 by okiwan

[Trip]

lols :D

hacking is such a broad term ... kids have such a narrow mind.

if i was @ school now i'd be using a bootable usb stick te he (and i'd probably get suspended for it lol)

i got suspended for formatting one of my old schools network drives

it didnt take much tho lol just pressed escape @ the login screen and typed 'format f:' those were the days :D

Edited October 13, 2010 by Trip

[Infiltrator]

That is indeed annoying, but it doesn't bother me. The more question like that I get the more I am learning because if I don't know something, I will research about it, I will broaden my knowledge. As for those primary school kids, they are just a bunch of script kiddies who is not willing to learn anything. They just want to be spoon-fed.

[Netshroud]

If I knew what I learnt about month after finishing school when I was at school, I could have easily escalated to Domain Admin privileges. School networks are vulnerable as almost all their attacks come from inside the network, and usually the administrators have no clue about network security. It makes an easy target for someone inside the network, as well as people who are just frustrated that they cant do what they want to do.

[The Sorrow]

To be honest, this is where I started. "lets hack the network" and just as the hacker manifesto says "a board is found". Hak5 was that board for me. I was looking for USB hacks and viola - a new lifestyle and mentality. I encourage these kiddies to do whatever cause unfortunately you only learn by messing up as a kid. Though the warnings are good and helpful, most kids have that "well I'm smarter" mentality which they'll soon learn otherwise. Experiment kids, just cover your asses and make sure you think a little before you act.

[Infiltrator]

I know what you mean, our IT really sucks, last year it took 15min of fiddling with windows movie maker and the it guy still couldn't make it play. I stood up pressed the f'in play button and wha'lla!

I used to work for an IT helpdesk company and we used to support various regional and remote schools. And every school had its own ICT or someone in charge of the network administration.

And one of the things that really annoyed me, was that those guys used to earn over $55.000+ a year, just to maintain the schools IT. And clearly they had no idea of how networks or security worked.

They only underwent a one week training and at the end set for an exam and that's it, they called themselves ICTs but with very limited understanding of how things in IT worked.

I think the problem lies in the school itself, some schools have very tight on budget which limits them from investing on important things, like trainings or better IT infrastructure.

Edited October 13, 2010 by Infiltrator

[Plunks]

I think that the motivation behind the whole "hack the school" questions is more important. If it is for the purpose of finding out how their institution functions, how everything is connected and basically how it all works is one of merit. If it is 'hacking' out of curiosity and a passion to learn, all the power to you. If its just so you can be a pain in the arse and generally screw over your school, different story.

From my personal perspective a small group of students and I got majorly into networking just so we could lan 1.6 at school during our free's and it just snowballed from there. It would be interesting to gain a complete explanation off these skiddies as to why they want to do it.

[okiwan]

I think that the motivation behind the whole "hack the school" questions is more important. If it is for the purpose of finding out how their institution functions, how everything is connected and basically how it all works is one of merit. If it is 'hacking' out of curiosity and a passion to learn, all the power to you. If its just so you can be a pain in the arse and generally screw over your school, different story.

From my personal perspective a small group of students and I got majorly into networking just so we could lan 1.6 at school during our free's and it just snowballed from there. It would be interesting to gain a complete explanation off these skiddies as to why they want to do it.

i think 90% of the people who want to hack there school network, want to do it for bragging rights to fellow students. like "look at me i can go on facebook on the school computer and you cant!"

[Plunks]

do you think because of this 90% that the ones that are just in it to learn get lost in the idiotic epeening?

[okiwan]

yes.

[Sparda]

I dislike facebook and do not have a facebook account and never intend to, but if the school plasters the fact that you can't go to facebook, I'm going to go to facebook, just to go there, then get board and do some thing else.

"Why did you do x? Because I can!"

World: "Why did you setup your garage door so you can open it with a text message?"

Darren: "Because I can!"

Similar mentality, though there is truth in what you say about barging rights.

[darkside92]

very annoying

but like was said befor most IT admins at highschools dont know what their doing at my old school there was a networked drive across the entire network for everystudent to use not per student so you can delete what ever files where on their yearbook had all their photos and some students final projects where on their i hit wrong folder thinking it was mine and deleted it then they try to sue me for hacking

[Guest Deleted_Account]

This reminds me of my high school (although we had permission and it was all in fun and we told admin and IT how to patch the holes we found). Me and my friends were always doing this stuff, except we actually learned!!! We didn't post shit in forums and ask someone to hold out hands. Also the useless bat script stuff is funny for 10 seconds then you just move on to better things like hacking WiFi and finding vulnerabilities that get you root on the schools sever :) (When I got root I had everyone sign on one-after-another and upload random messages in txt form to the root of the drive it was funny seeing the reaction of the IT guy :) )

Some kids however don't want to learn and just want the latest "hack", which 9 times out of 10 is some equally useless twit making some uber leet "All in one" tool that is really just a backdoor and not much more. And those same kids also fall for the MSN/Facebook/INSERT USELESS GAME HERE cracks/hacks that once again are trojans usually. Even if it's not bad enough that they download this crap the have to upload stupid videos to youtube showing off their latest virus they made in Batch. Which is often not more then "Shutdown -s -t 30 -c "you have been pwned" " or some continuous cmd opening loop. Why don't they learn something like how to perform a fork bomb or zip bomb? It wouldn't be so bad if they actually learned something useful, and hate to say it but MOST windows hacking tools (even the real ones) suck their linux counterparts/alternatives are way better IMO. (case in point metasploit and aircrack-ng).

/rant

[Sparda]

very annoying

but like was said befor most IT admins at highschools dont know what their doing at my old school there was a networked drive across the entire network for everystudent to use not per student so you can delete what ever files where on their yearbook had all their photos and some students final projects where on their i hit wrong folder thinking it was mine and deleted it then they try to sue me for hacking

Why didn't they restore from the nightly backup?

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[Infiltrator]

School and studies can really drain you mentally and sometimes its good to do other things other than school work to relief your mind off that pressure.

Accessing Facebook, chatting, or doing other things you are not suppose to can help alleviate your mental stress.

[okiwan]

maybe colleges hate facebook because zuckerberg dropped out of harvard.

[Guest Deleted_Account]

maybe colleges hate facebook because zuckerberg dropped out of harvard.

Oddly enough my colleges doesn't block anything but porn (and every port except 80). They don't care about social networking and such as long as it's not in the library where they just ask you to go to the lab, which is in the library in a back room :)

[Alias]

When I was 15 I started playing with batch scripts at my school and found it utterly boring to say the least, then I found a way to access the network drives and run applications remotely however access them locally. Needless to say we installed Firefox and many other applications, in the process getting banned from the network for a few weeks. I started to play with batch files a lot more and found that while it was boring I was learning stuff.

I then moved onto hackthissite.org and started to learn HTML and Javascript. After I'd pretty much learnt them I started to learn PHP which at the time was extremely hard. From their moved onto Wi-Fi hacking which eventually made me convert to Linux. I use Metasploit regularly and know bits of C and such. I know Cryptography fairly well as well. I'm 17 now and I'm considering a career in Computer Science which a few years ago I would have never done.

Moral of the story is everyone is a skiddie for a while.

/stimulates ego.

[VaKo]

Yeah, Alias is honest. We all started hacking because we wanted to fuck with computers and/or people. And most of us move on beyond this point, but school was still where the majority of us got our first exposure to multiple computers and networks.

[okiwan]

but school was still where the majority of us got our first exposure to multiple computers and networks.

yes, but it was in elementary school with apple II's not college.

[Guest Deleted_Account]

When I was 15 I started playing with batch scripts at my school and found it utterly boring to say the least, then I found a way to access the network drives and run applications remotely however access them locally. Needless to say we installed Firefox and many other applications, in the process getting banned from the network for a few weeks. I started to play with batch files a lot more and found that while it was boring I was learning stuff.

I then moved onto hackthissite.org and started to learn HTML and Javascript. After I'd pretty much learnt them I started to learn PHP which at the time was extremely hard. From their moved onto Wi-Fi hacking which eventually made me convert to Linux. I use Metasploit regularly and know bits of C and such. I know Cryptography fairly well as well. I'm 17 now and I'm considering a career in Computer Science which a few years ago I would have never done.

Moral of the story is everyone is a skiddie for a while.

/stimulates ego.

This is very true I used to pull off batch files too and as I said they are fun for 10 seconds before getting old lol. I am 18 and graded last year now I am attending college for computer science and must say it is a great experience. I say go for it although first year is way to easy for me, and probably you too. But it is a good stepping stone.

[barry99705]

yes, but it was in elementary school with apple II's not college.

Heh, we didn't have computers when I was in elementary school....