Gps Ip And Mac Tracking

[MIGHTY]

Hi guys I have this great idea that just might be able to work. I was wondering if its possible if you can take a regular car GPS and program it to find the physical location of an ip or mac address of a wired or wireless AP or wireless client and display information like open port numbers, network traffic, protocols, etc.

[Sparda]

Will the GPS unit have an internet connection?

[Infiltrator]

Is this idea of yours gonna be on sales.

[MIGHTY]

Is this idea of yours gonna be on sales.

If i get it to work effectivly on my own it maybe on sale but i prefer to have it open source to the community so improvements can be made to it.

[Infiltrator]

If i get it to work effectivly on my own it maybe on sale but i prefer to have it open source to the community so improvements can be made to it.

Cool!

[digip]

Netstumbler lets you bundle it with a GPS to get an "approximate" location of an access point, but its not going to give you anything other than your general location when finding the access point. There isnt any GPS device I know of that alone has the capabilities to scan wireless networks. Thats not what a GPS does. Not saying you couldn't combine it with something, like Kismet or Netstumbler or other such software, but as a device, a GPS only talks to satellites, not wireless access points.

As far as open ports, you would need something in addtion to the other two I mentioned, like nmap or other portscanner but nmap works by having internet access, and if you arent associated with the access point or able to get to it via the internet/wan/lan, then you cant scan the access point for open ports.

[John C]

could you chuck a jasager into the mix?

[metatron]

Netstumbler lets you bundle it with a GPS to get an "approximate" location of an access point, but its not going to give you anything other than your general location when finding the access point. There isnt any GPS device I know of that alone has the capabilities to scan wireless networks. Thats not what a GPS does. Not saying you couldn't combine it with something, like Kismet or Netstumbler or other such software, but as a device, a GPS only talks to satellites, not wireless access points.

As far as open ports, you would need something in addtion to the other two I mentioned, like nmap or other portscanner but nmap works by having internet access, and if you arent associated with the access point or able to get to it via the internet/wan/lan, then you cant scan the access point for open ports.

GPS modules spit out serial data and you can get serial based wireless cards, add a DOSonCHIP FAT16/FAT32 module for data logging, a MCU and a handful of other components and you have a fairly small cheapish, easy to put together unit. I would also add a 16x4 lcd to display lock, last hit and such.

Edited April 24, 2010 by metatron

[MIGHTY]

could you chuck a jasager into the mix?

yea you see my point. its like creating a unit that has the power of the jasager with a GPS attached to it and the zipit all put together to do fun stuff

[MIGHTY]

Netstumbler lets you bundle it with a GPS to get an "approximate" location of an access point, but its not going to give you anything other than your general location when finding the access point. There isnt any GPS device I know of that alone has the capabilities to scan wireless networks. Thats not what a GPS does. Not saying you couldn't combine it with something, like Kismet or Netstumbler or other such software, but as a device, a GPS only talks to satellites, not wireless access points.

As far as open ports, you would need something in addtion to the other two I mentioned, like nmap or other portscanner but nmap works by having internet access, and if you arent associated with the access point or able to get to it via the internet/wan/lan, then you cant scan the access point for open ports.

right now GPS are programmed to talk to satellites. but iam sure with the right code it can talk to a wireless ap and know the exact location where it is

[digip]

right now GPS are programmed to talk to satellites. but iam sure with the right code it can talk to a wireless ap and know the exact location where it is

Im not even sure a GPS can speak the same radio frequency as a wireless router, let along force yoru own code into one., Maybe combining two devices, sure, but not on the GPS alone. Get an arduino board with both 802.11 and GPS chips, then yes, you could do a mashup.

Hell, why worry about it when you can buy laptops today that have GPS, BLuetooth, WiFi and 3G built into the boards, which will do everythign you want.

[moonlit]

You will not make a GPS receiver look for networks, it isn't possible, they work on very different radio frequencies (1.17 to 1.57GHz, not 2.4 and 5.8GHz) and even if they didn't you'd need to write firmware from scratch that talks 802.11 rather than GPS signals. As mentioned, netstumbler/issider or a simple hardware device (even an Arduino with a GPS module and a serial wifi module would work) will report rough locations when a wifi signal is found, though without trilateration it won't be very accurate. A car satellite navigation unit may be capable of this, especially if it runs on Windows CE (ministumbler, wififofum) and has a wifi module. If it doesn't contain a wifi module then it would have to be fitted with one, otherwise it is not possible to detect wifi.

[MIGHTY]

You will not make a GPS receiver look for networks, it isn't possible, they work on very different radio frequencies (1.17 to 1.57GHz, not 2.4 and 5.8GHz) and even if they didn't you'd need to write firmware from scratch that talks 802.11 rather than GPS signals. As mentioned, netstumbler/issider or a simple hardware device (even an Arduino with a GPS module and a serial wifi module would work) will report rough locations when a wifi signal is found, though without trilateration it won't be very accurate. A car satellite navigation unit may be capable of this, especially if it runs on Windows CE (ministumbler, wififofum) and has a wifi module. If it doesn't contain a wifi module then it would have to be fitted with one, otherwise it is not possible to detect wifi.

i was kinda of thinking to build a unit that combines jasager the zipit and GPS all together. basically the jasager would do it job as you all known what it does. the zipit can be used to install airmon-ng, aireplay-ng ang aircrack-ng, etc. the GPS device would be used to locate a wireless ap or wireless ap client. so for example the gps would tell you how far the wireless ap is from your present location and tell you the exact location where the wireless ap is or if someone hack your wireless you would be able to track there ip address and use the gps to know exactly where they are located.

[moonlit]

i was kinda of thinking to build a unit that combines jasager the zipit and GPS all together. basically the jasager would do it job as you all known what it does. the zipit can be used to install airmon-ng, aireplay-ng ang aircrack-ng, etc. the GPS device would be used to locate a wireless ap or wireless ap client. so for example the gps would tell you how far the wireless ap is from your present location and tell you the exact location where the wireless ap is

I see no reason why the Zipit could not perform all of these tasks simultaniously. However, the GPS cannot tell you precisely where the access point is, it can only tell you where it is itself. The only way you can pinpoint an access point using GPS is to measure signal strengths from various points and use trilateration to plot the AP on a map. This method is not flawless, however, it will be affected by materials weakening the signal between you and the AP, skewing results. Most GPS enabled wifi scanning tools can only tell you where you were when you last saw that access point, they will not tell you where the access point is.

or if someone hack your wireless you would be able to track there ip address and use the gps to know exactly where they are located.

This is absolutely impossible. The GPS receiver by nature reports its own exact location and so must be the attached to whatever you're tracking, otherwise it would only report your location, not the location of the machine you're trying to track. There would need to be a GPS on the device you intend to track, it must be enabled, and you must be able to access the data it produces in order to track it.

[John C]

i found this link WiFi and Bluetooth sniffer with gps built in ^_^ sounds like what your looking for.

Edited April 25, 2010 by John C

[metatron]

i found this link WiFi and Bluetooth sniffer with gps built in ^_^ sounds like what your looking for.

lol, I saw that on hack a day a few days back, its so badly done. There has been countless other wifi gun projects in the last 12 year which don't look like a five year old got set loss with a glue gun.

[MIGHTY]

i found this link WiFi and Bluetooth sniffer with gps built in ^_^ sounds like what your looking for.

yea something like this iam looking for but more compact and with gps and jaseger all builtin to it

[redxine]

Oh so you're talking about triangulating a wifi signal.

Effectively, it's fairly simple trigonometry. The only data needed is either distances at three points, or three angle values in the same situation. The more points and distances, the more accurate the result. The hardest part is collecting the data. In traditional GPS, each satellite has an extremely accurate cesium atomic clocks which accuracy to plus or minus 2 nano seconds. Each satellite therefore has the exact same clocks, and they are accurate enough to be able to measure distances between them by measuring the time it takes for a signal to travel (found by using those clocks as a basis) and dividing it with the speed of light. The earth side GPS receivers also have clocks, but they are not the accurate ones in the satellites, but are rather synchronized by subtracting a known latency. Using all these distances, the receiver can calculate it's exact position.

The same thing could probably be done with wifi using the same concept, except there is no real 'time format' or clock keeping that goes on in the 802.11 stack. SO, the only real way to measure distances would be by signal strength. Three stations should then be able to triangulate a single point this way. Perhaps a directional antenna would help too in providing angle values.

This would be a great way to locate rouge wifi users, but the concept is on a little shaky ground. I think I read a paper on it once...

[MIGHTY]

Oh so you're talking about triangulating a wifi signal.

Effectively, it's fairly simple trigonometry. The only data needed is either distances at three points, or three angle values in the same situation. The more points and distances, the more accurate the result. The hardest part is collecting the data. In traditional GPS, each satellite has an extremely accurate cesium atomic clocks which accuracy to plus or minus 2 nano seconds. Each satellite therefore has the exact same clocks, and they are accurate enough to be able to measure distances between them by measuring the time it takes for a signal to travel (found by using those clocks as a basis) and dividing it with the speed of light. The earth side GPS receivers also have clocks, but they are not the accurate ones in the satellites, but are rather synchronized by subtracting a known latency. Using all these distances, the receiver can calculate it's exact position.

The same thing could probably be done with wifi using the same concept, except there is no real 'time format' or clock keeping that goes on in the 802.11 stack. SO, the only real way to measure distances would be by signal strength. Three stations should then be able to triangulate a single point this way. Perhaps a directional antenna would help too in providing angle values.

This would be a great way to locate rouge wifi users, but the concept is on a little shaky ground. I think I read a paper on it once...

you said the exact thing what i want it to do and I think it can really be done. i was looking at a couple of devices and 1 device in particular caught my eye.the wireless usb modem that a ISP provide for internet anywhere. if iam correct that device receive transmission from cellphone towers. Some ISP cellphone towers also provide GPS signal. i just have to figure out how to make it work as intended

[Utexas]

you said the exact thing what i want it to do and I think it can really be done. i was looking at a couple of devices and 1 device in particular caught my eye.the wireless usb modem that a ISP provide for internet anywhere. if iam correct that device receive transmission from cellphone towers. Some ISP cellphone towers also provide GPS signal. i just have to figure out how to make it work as intended

I think you might need to review the concept of "wireless." Specifically wave frequencies that technologies use.

A GSM or CDMA modem is very different than a wireless ap. Also, it means that the people using it will never be able to connect to you, and you will not even know that they are using it unless you have the equipment for sniffing cell phone communications.

This thread is very convoluted but it seems like you want:

Jasager - to make others connect to you

Some way to track these people who connect to you - Finding the location of people who connect to you is theoretically possible if they don't move, never change IP addresses, and don't change their MAC address. Good luck finding this ethereal person.

Zipit - for hacking someone else's wifi

A way to triangulate the wireless ap that you break in to so that you know where it is - The variation in the wireless AP signal strength will pretty much kill triangulation efforts... unless you are planning on spending some time near it...

GPS - because it was the subject of your original post

TL;DR - This is the most diverse assortment of technology I have seen in a 10 post thread, and there is no real connection between them other than the words "wireless" "modem" "AP" and "GPS"

[MIGHTY]

I think you might need to review the concept of "wireless." Specifically wave frequencies that technologies use.

A GSM or CDMA modem is very different than a wireless ap. Also, it means that the people using it will never be able to connect to you, and you will not even know that they are using it unless you have the equipment for sniffing cell phone communications.

This thread is very convoluted but it seems like you want:

Jasager - to make others connect to you

Some way to track these people who connect to you - Finding the location of people who connect to you is theoretically possible if they don't move, never change IP addresses, and don't change their MAC address. Good luck finding this ethereal person.

Zipit - for hacking someone else's wifi

A way to triangulate the wireless ap that you break in to so that you know where it is - The variation in the wireless AP signal strength will pretty much kill triangulation efforts... unless you are planning on spending some time near it...

GPS - because it was the subject of your original post

TL;DR - This is the most diverse assortment of technology I have seen in a 10 post thread, and there is no real connection between them other than the words "wireless" "modem" "AP" and "GPS"

Well in the day of Albert Einstein, Alexander graham bell and other great inventors like them came up with bright ideas and people thought that they were crazy and what they are doing is logically crazy but in the long run everyone is no able to benefit from it. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

[barry99705]

Well in the day of Albert Einstein, Alexander graham bell and other great inventors like them came up with bright ideas and people thought that they were crazy and what they are doing is logically crazy but in the long run everyone is no able to benefit from it. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

The difference between them and this thread is they knew what the hell they were doing. They already make devices that pretty much do what you're talking about. They call them cell phones. You could also do this with a pda.

[MIGHTY]

The difference between them and this thread is they knew what the hell they were doing. They already make devices that pretty much do what you're talking about. They call them cell phones. You could also do this with a pda.

Some PDA's and cell phones are very limited. but it seems like you don't have a clue what iam talking about.

if you go back to a couple post and read redxine post he understands exactly what i want to do with it.

[moonlit]

You CANNOT do what you wish to do. Period. To use GPS (or AGPS) to locate something, you have to know its co-ordinates. To know its co-ordinates either one of two things must happen: 1) you must go to that item's location and make a note of the co-ordinates yourself, or 2) an item at that location must provide co-ordinates for you to work with. Without one of these scenarios, GPS is absolutely useless to you, and if you already know the location of the device you wish to track then GPS becomes redundant. This includes location by cell tower too.

As Utexas said, tracking a moving object (which includes many environmental variables) with only signal strength is nigh on impossible, you will never know whether a reading taken for triangulation is skewed because of an extra thick wall, or a metal fence, or a person, or just a weak signal or interference. This will make a big difference in the results of triangulation unless you have some frame of reference such as a clock.

Without co-operation from the devices you wish to track, you cannot do this.

[barry99705]

Some PDA's and cell phones are very limited. but it seems like you don't have a clue what iam talking about.

if you go back to a couple post and read redxine post he understands exactly what i want to do with it.

I know what you want to do, and it's not possible the way you're explaining it. The zaurus pda's will run pretty much anything you can run in backtrack, just slower, so I don't see how they are limited. Like everything, there's pro's and con's to any hardware device.

Some ISP cellphone towers also provide GPS signal.

No cellphone tower provides gps signals. The cell towers can triangulate your phone's position, if there's enough towers around you, and there's enough signal. It's a pretty rough location. My first gen iPhone usually put me about a half mile north of where I'm currently sitting. Sometimes it was within a couple houses in bigger cities, but nowhere near accurate to pinpoint a wifi access point. You really don't need gps anyway. I've located rogue access points in multistory buildings with just the zaurus and a directional antenna. Cisco makes a software platform that uses their wifi access points to do inventory tracking within a building. You get better results with more than three access points, but it can locate the devices within a ten foot radius.

Edited May 6, 2010 by barry99705