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Has anyone watched the news cast video of Obama might pass rights for the government to be able to search peoples hard drives. I can't copy the link because I am on my phone, but I am starting to get worried. What would the government think of people who use the pineapple or monkey. Even just test exploits on another computer (maybe in their house or a VM). What are your thoughts on the subject?

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Paranoid? If your not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about. What reason would they have to come to your house in the first place? Law enforcment always had the right to search your hard drive if it was confiscated in some sort of crime or warrant search.

If you really are that worried, start using TrueCrypt and protect your stuff you have in question.

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Paranoid? If your not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about. What reason would they have to come to your house in the first place? Law enforcment always had the right to search your hard drive if it was confiscated in some sort of crime or warrant search.

If you really are that worried, start using TrueCrypt and protect your stuff you have in question.

I have nothing to hide yet I still want my privacy and if this is passed I can see a slippery slope. Also to search your computer does the law enforcement agency need a warrant with this? Because can't they know seize your computer and search it with a warrant? Please correct me if I wrong.

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They still need a warrant anyway.

Which means they need to talk to a judge.

Which means they need to have probably cause.

Which means nothing's changed.

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Paranoid? If your not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about. What reason would they have to come to your house in the first place? Law enforcment always had the right to search your hard drive if it was confiscated in some sort of crime or warrant search.

If you really are that worried, start using TrueCrypt and protect your stuff you have in question.

You would like to think that but If they happened to see your hard drive and you have cracking tools because you security test, or you have explosive recipes because you like making cherrys, that can cause alot of trouble for you. Even if you are innocent. You may be innocent untill proven guilty but some things are pretty convincing.

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You would like to think that but If they happened to see your hard drive and you have cracking tools because you security test, or you have explosive recipes because you like making cherrys, that can cause alot of trouble for you. Even if you are innocent. You may be innocent untill proven guilty but some things are pretty convincing.

Um, I highly doubt that any tools would be evidence enough for conviction alone. I have CEH training videos, along with my A+, N+, etc, along with Metasploit, Cain and an umber of other things. Its all circumstantial and unless they can prove you even used any of them against a target, they would have a hard time throwing you in jail for it. Thats like saying because you have a backtrack cd or installed on a pc you are a criminal. Total horse shit.

If you commit a crime, then you do the time.

Also, Obama was working on Counterfeit and Copyright law last time I checked. Not unwarranted search and seizure for no reason.

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I don't think that rule applies at boarder crossings.

If you have illegal material and have committed a crime with a device, why in the hell would you bring it across the border anyway? Border security has been know to take devices and you never see them again anyway. Why risk it.

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Here is the link for everyone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yPmtQDWZ1s . First off, watch the report, then watch it again until the report starts. Notice how funny the reporters voice is. She sounds like she's from a cartoon.

cheers,

Destro

If this were really true though, why is it not on any tv news? FOX, the anti-obama News Channel hasn't even said anything about this. WHat other news outlets are reporting this? And what are the sources for these clips? Are they within the context of the subject, or are they random clips asked to people about something else edited for their own context?

If you look at the real news, this dates back to 2007 and the ACTA documents. As for the law the video talks about, from what I can find, it really pertains to the international IP treaty based on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). This was started under the Bush administration long before Obama took office. If passed, peopel claim, and I quote

If ratified, leaked documents posted on WikiLeaks and other comments suggest the proposed trade accord would criminalize peer-to-peer file sharing, subject iPods to border searches and allow internet service providers to monitor their customers' communications.

But what exactly the documents contain, haven't been released yet. Its speculation at best right now.

Sources:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/obama-declares.html

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/G-8_plurilateral...iscussion_paper

1 - ISP's already monitor their customers, Comcast, Cox and AT&T have already acknowledged this in the past, and is NOT a new policy, but one they have always had. (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10204047-93.html)

2 - Border patrol, like Airports, already had the right to search and seize any electronic equipment under the Patriot Act following 9/11.

If law enforcment has a reason to search your equipment, you had better make sure you are not carrying senstive illegal data. Thats just common sense. For instance, lets say you had a iPod with secret army plans on it. Why would you try to cross the border with it? And this kind of information has been found on devices like this in the past, so as a casue for concern and international security, I can see where confiscating a suspects devices would be appropriate.

Again, if you are not breaking the law, what do you have to worry about? If you have illegal documents on your devices and you try to take them across the border or through an airport, and you get caught, who are you going to be mad at? The governments for doing their job, or yourself?

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The government can't search your hard drive without cause. That includes iPod's. The only place in the US where you your 4th amendment protections are severely limited is when you are leaving or entering the US. NO warrants are needed.

All that being said, if you aren't entering or exiting the US, this treaty has no effect on you whatsoever, since no law enforcement agency has the authority to conduct those kinds of searches inside the US.

One last thing, this treaty does not override constitutional rights. If the courts in the future want to decide that this constitutes an illegal search, they can do so, and the treaty is voided on the US-end.

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They still need a warrant anyway.

Which means they need to talk to a judge.

Which means they need to have probably cause.

Which means nothing's changed.

No warrants are needed to search you and your possessions if you are entering or exiting the US. Probable cause isn't needed either. Its called a Inbound/outbound Customs search. Is there a big difference when it comes to electronic data? That is what I want to know.

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To be fair, if the police can get a warrant they can search your computer, end of story (and I don't really have an issue with that, only the circumstances under which they can get a warrant should be regulated). Doing it without one is new territory, and while the rights you have in regard to having your car searched are established, governments are trying to get in there first when it comes to rights about searching your computer. Expect high level cases and new rights in 20-50 years, right now Joe Public doesn't use this stuff enough to care (although the UK government plans to get access to facebook so this might be a catalyst for change).

As for Obama this, and Obama that, Obama is one man in a giant system that was fucked to begin with. There is only so much he can do. I still think he's going to be a good president, but I know he's not going to rock up to the whitehouse with spinners on his limo, blazing a foot long joint and wearing an EFF t-shirt. He's going to bomb Pakistan and look good doing it.

Americans actually have some pretty good protection against this if they use encryption and plead the 5th, this has already been upheld in a case involving child porn so I doubt your collection of hacking tools is going to kick up much of a ruckus.

As for transporting data across borders, microSD cards are small enough to pass through your body, be surgically implanted or hidden in your mouth/up your nose. Just get your tongue pierced or claim that its shrapnel.

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