VaKo Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Its not so much that people have stopped buying laptops, its more that a lot of people have started to buy netbooks in addition to a laptop or desktop. You see a lot of them given away with mobile broadband subscriptions for instance. This doesn't mean people have stopped buying Apple kit, just that the numbers of windows machines have increased because rightly or wrongly Apple are not compeating in this area of the market. (I know, lies, damn lies and statistics...) What I really want from Apple is a 10" tablet Macbook, i think thats something that only Apple could pull off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 in my opinion, the mac mini failed because it offered next to nothing for a steep price, it was also harder to service and apple didn't support it as well as their other systems netbooks are good for basic usage, the screens are just too small, they should make one with a 15 inch screen (a 15 inch screen on ebay cost about $40, and i know that these companies can get their hardware cheaper, it wont add too much to the cost of the netbook, if they do this then you will finally see people making the switch to using a netbook as a primary pc as there many users who only use their computers to chat with friends and surf the web Nothing wrong with the price of the Mac Mini, the current problem with it is that it hasn't been updated for too long. Its no harder to service than a laptop and its as upgradable as laptop so you can't complain their and I don't know what you mean by Apple not supporting it as well, its got just as much support from Apple for everything. The problem with it was that it wasn't desirable, it was that different and they marketed it wrong. If in the new version apple gave it the video connectivity of the aTV and a TV tuner then they would fly, but I can't see that happening. A 15" defies the point of it being a netbook, if you read my post and looked online, you would know that you can pick up a 15" laptop for near enough the same money as a netbook. Its not so much that people have stopped buying laptops, its more that a lot of people have started to buy netbooks in addition to a laptop or desktop. You see a lot of them given away with mobile broadband subscriptions for instance. This doesn't mean people have stopped buying Apple kit, just that the numbers of windows machines have increased because rightly or wrongly Apple are not compeating in this area of the market. (I know, lies, damn lies and statistics...) What I really want from Apple is a 10" tablet Macbook, i think thats something that only Apple could pull off. If anything netbooks have done more for Linux's market share than windows, and microsoft are having to keep XP around even longer than they had wanted because they can't run Vista well enough. So I'd say that Microsoft is not liking it more than anyone else at the moment, they still have all the markets wrapped up that they don't have to worry about anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 You would think that the rise of the netbook would mean that finally the linux desktop has arrived, but alas not, it would appear that more people buy the linux versions because they are cheaper, see its not windows and its all weird, then return it. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q...ks+linux+return A shame, but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakb0ne Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I think I am finally going to give BSD a spin. Which flavor are you going to try? I am not a big fan of their NIC naming system, or the fact that I have to recompile a kernel to change a video driver. However, the ports system is interesting, as well as their management with hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machstorm Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Steve Ballmer, Linus Torvalds, or Steve Jobs? (i.e. what os you usin?) Because of the business I am in I have to use them all. And because of that I have grown to appreciate all three. Although Mac has not been used much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor512 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 current netbooks are too expensive, if they can make netbooks with larger screens but with a lower price, (they can make a 15 inch netbook for under $200 if they wanted to ) for current netbooks, there prices are too close to full on laptops with better specs so it is hard to see why people are buying them at these high prices the reason behind me wanting a larger screen is because lcd screens are cheap, adding a 15 inch screen may cause the price to go up by at most $20 or market them as low profile pcs and sell docking stations that allow users to connect it to a large monitor, mouse and keyboard and use it like a desktop pc. (it will still work for users who only use their systems for basic things (and keep in mind that a few years ago, the average desktop computer was slower than the current netbook (they had more storage but they were slower ) and on many of the systems I work on for customers, many of them are still using 1-1.5GHz systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 If I wanted a cheap 15" laptop, I would go to ebay and buy one. However, I don't want this, I want something the size of a book and cheap, so I get a netbook. Your not paying for the spec, you are paying for the size and for me £300 for a Dell Mini 9 and HP2133 was a good deal. Which flavor are you going to try? I am not a big fan of their NIC naming system, or the fact that I have to recompile a kernel to change a video driver. However, the ports system is interesting, as well as their management with hardware. OpenBSD has a stick up its arse about security, while this is good for somethings its not everything. NetBSD went south a few years back and doesn't seem to have recovered yet. FreeBSD is easy to use, simple to setup and makes way more sense than Linux. Its fairly secure out the box and its easy to update the system and installed applications with a few very basic scripts. The ports system is really nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 OpenBSD has a stick up its arse about security, while this is good for somethings its not everything. To further on from this, when using OpenBSD, you require a large, heavy and strong object which can be placed by your workstation. This is for hitting your head against repeatedly while trying to interact with that system. Its well worth doing as an exercise though, the implementing the system that is, not hitting your head repeatedly against something. Just expect yourself to take an age to get up to speed with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 To further on from this, when using OpenBSD, you require a large, heavy and strong object which can be placed by your workstation. This is for hitting your head against repeatedly while trying to interact with that system. Its well worth doing as an exercise though, the implementing the system that is, not hitting your head repeatedly against something. Just expect yourself to take an age to get up to speed with it. I've been an OpenBSD user for many years, its really not that hard for older people, maybe for the people that grow up with GUI's and the mouse but not for the people that grow up with computers when it took some thinking to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingwray Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I've been an OpenBSD user for many years, its really not that hard for older people, maybe for the people that grow up with GUI's and the mouse but not for the people that grow up with computers when it took some thinking to use. I haven't tried it for a little bit, because I've been doing other things than setting up server. But when was last playing with it, it seemed like they had renamed all the standard commands and function that are generally common across unix based system. Meaning that to progress I had to look up everything all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3%5kr3w Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Thanks for all your help! I have not checked it out yet, but I was origionally going to go with openBSD because I thought that was the spec. for BSD but after hearing all of your complaints, Ill gladly be checking out FreeBSD. Now I know that everyone says that it's not linux, or unix but I just never knew, what is so different about it? (I havent used it yet and I am @ work so will not be able to check it out till I get home @ 12am tonight) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deveant Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I've yet to see anyone buy a netbook as their main computer and thats the way its going to stay as they are unusable for extended periods of time (the main reason because of this is the 1024x600 resolution is two small to be generally productive on it). I have quite a few friends buying them, as there first computers. For 3 main reasons. 1. There cheap, and there parents are more than willing to buy them for the kids who are studying. 2. The do whats needed. Internet research, MS Office, Social Networking Sites, Porn. 3. Girls find them cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Aye, my GF has pretty much become attached to my netbook, spends hours on the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3%5kr3w Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 I bought an acer one for my wife *160gig/1gig/xp version* and she wont let me touch it... But I gotta touch it! it's just so cute! oh well... I'm happy with my desktop and my laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swathe Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I want a netbook :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3%5kr3w Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 go get ya one man they're cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seshan Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I went to future shop today to look at them and they had like 8 different ones, I remember when they first came out I couldn't find one anywhere. And it wasn't that long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKo Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Get a dell mini-9 or an HP 2140. They are much nicer than the rest, which seem like toys sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3%5kr3w Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 ... whats so good about the mini 9 and the mini 2140? you can just go buy the acer one for $150 less, and at your local walmart @ that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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