i'm thankful for all the help, and i'm really thankful for your insight! but when someone leaves out steps 2-4 it kinda takes a while before i can get the whole picture. geee one day i hope i grow up just like you......all the rest of us wanted was for someone to explain it step by step.....who know you could just read thru it after having not followed all the steps yourself and still get it right, man what a genius........and not speaking for everyone else that's having problems but i never said i was a hacker never wanted to be..... but its people like you who give the community the status of being complete closed minded assholes, so i'm greatful that irieb has helped me figure this out as well as all others you helped. But i'm most excited that someone of your weight and stature in the community deemed it necessary to chime in on the subject of newbies. oh by the way your break is over, time to start asking people " would you like freis with that"!