Thanks guys i have been working on this project now and have a few point of entrys ...this is not to make havoc its merely just to show the workplace that their security is bad eg outdated software "holes" in the server outdated or even non existent anti virus this is just to show them that although its not a big deal if something may happen its still not good to have all these flaws Thanks for all the replies guys now i will get a bash bunny and demonstrate with permission