Frist , I would like to thank "phpsystems" , " overwraith , Merlintime , cheeto, Xcellerator, overwraith and also fringes for your comments and feedback. Based upon what I read in your posting it definately made me do a 180. Those are very,very ligimate use cases. You are correct phpsystems "Pentesting is about thinking outside the box". Thank you for not being negive. You all have posted intellgence comments in a very respectfull manner, and I thank you for that.