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    Difference between Mark vs Nano?

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark V

    Posted · Edited by Fira

    What are the main differences between the AR9271 and the AR9331, just out of curiosity?

    Was there a reason that 2 different radios are chosen : ie, can 2 of the same not share the same board?

    Choosing hardware as an OEM. That sounds like a really interesting fun job! :)

    Mk V, nothing seems to actually work

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark V

    Posted · Edited by Fira

    They also found out late into production that the radio that does the spoofed APs has a throughput issue, so it can only do around 10mbps on a good day.

    Thanks for the reply.

    So is the third radio just because the other 2 are busy, or if the issue highlighted in the quote above was not a factor, would it be able to do that job without the need for a third radio?

    Is the fake AP doing the karma attack, or occupineapple attack, or both?

    Introducing the WiFi Pineapple NANO

    in WiFi Pineapple NANO

    Posted · Edited by Fira

    The change in hardware from the Mark IV to V were huge, and while Mark IV users were left behind, its important to understand how difficult and time consuming it can be to maintain firmwares for multiple devices. If they did this, Seb would be editing 3 firmwares and trying to constantly support 3 devices while trying to hit one deadline. The resources are not there.

    As a side note, the 3.0 firmware for the Mark IV is marked BETA for a reason.

    thanks for your reply foxtrot.

    I can appreciate what you wrote, and I can understand that seb managing multiple firmwares would be a nightmare.

    However, it was seb himself who said the MKIV still had things coming out for it. (example : https://forums.hak5.org/index.php?/topic/30654-my-mkiv-30-experience-so-far/?p=232449 )

    Why not just say, "No, sorry, it's EOL. There will be nothing more."

    It wasn't till 6 months later that Darren confirmed it was dead : (same thread : https://forums.hak5.org/index.php?/topic/30654-my-mkiv-30-experience-so-far/?p=243433 )

    It's kinda like ordering a taxi that never turns up....

    You just keep waiting and waiting and waiting.... Until you eventually realise that it was never going to be.

    It is always going to be better to just be straight up and honest about it.

    There were people on the MKIV forums begging for answers from HAK5 which all pretty much went unanswered for a long time.

    Side note response : why release a beta and not a final? Surely a beta is a work in progress. What was the point?

    Anyway, the MKIV's lifetime was 3 or 4 years ago now.

    I am most interested in the MKVI.

    My original questions still stand though.

    I want to throw down money and get one of these devices. They look the best I have ever seen in the pineapple range so far!

    Will Hak5 be straight up with us when the MK7 comes out further down the line, and let us know as soon as they know when the previous generation is killed?

    Better still, will they have a set EOL date (like Microsoft does) prior to the hardware reaching EOL?

    It would be nice to know how long we have left on a product.

    Cheers!

    Introducing the WiFi Pineapple NANO

    in WiFi Pineapple NANO

    Posted

    Well, Congrats on the new hardware guys!

    It does look very promising! i like the new interface!

    I thought the Tiles interface introduced with the 3.0 firmware on the MKIV were an incredible waste of screen space.

    Looking at the download count between V2.8.1 and v3.0 it seems a lot of people agreed. V3.0 was pretty much buggy and broken from my experience.

    I gotta be honest though, while I am interested in buying this new version of the pineapple, I am still a little bit miffed about how the transition from MKIV to MKV was handled.

    Now, I haven't checked for a few months, however I remember at the launch of the MKV, it was promised that there was still things coming for the MKIV.

    As far as I could see last time I checked, that never happened. I was miffed that things were promised, and they never materialised.

    I remember remarking around the time that I bet that the MKV would be gone within a year or 2 and we would have to upgrade our hardware again.

    I really wanted to be wrong about that!

    I was assured that would not be the case, and the MKV is here to stay.

    I do understand that since the chip is no longer being manufactured has caused an issue with manufacturing for the MKV, and that is a shame.Sorry to hear about it.

    I am very glad I didn't buy a MKV though. I took the decision to just sit that generation out, and just watch to see how long it survived for.

    My MKIV is sitting uselessly in a cupboard now. Occasionally, I use it as a regular access point in a pinch, but it crashes way too much with a fresh firmware.

    It always did.

    Anyway. Questions :

    Do the HAK5 team have a strategy in place for future generations of the pineapple hardware wherein new software is backward compatible?

    I've watched all 5 generations of the pineapple before this, and it seems that backwards compatibility is not a consideration. This may be due to technical limitations / hardware architecture etc, which I understand...

    But moving forward.... again I feel compelled to ask...

    Next year / the year after are we going to get rinsed for another $100 ?

    I'd kinda like to buy hardware that lasts more than a year / 2 years.

    I kinda also want to know that Software Support carries on at least a year after EOL for hardware.

    Us MKIV users were pretty much abandoned.

    I want to be sure that the last firmware update you give for a hardware device does not suck as much as firmware 3.0 did for the MKIV at EOL.

    Please don't take offence to my post, I wish the best for you all.

    These are legitimate concerns of mine.

    Cheers!

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    My MKIV 3.0 experience so far...

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark IV

    Posted

    I wish I had a good answer regarding the MK4. Right now our focus is on building in the advanced MK5 features that will enable the next generation of wifi attacks. My hope is that when we've stabilized that platform we can backport any of the features that aren't reliant on the MK5s enhanced hardware, however I sadly can't make any guarantees as to that timeline.

    My intention isn't to abandon the product or plan obsolescence - it's just that in this game of cat and mouse we need to continuously innovate on both the software and hardware side. This is resource intensive and comes at considerable cost to our very small team.

    The MK4 can make a formidable companion to the MK5 in fact. The MK6 isn't coming out for a very long time. I too have a drawer full of old smartphones - and while I wish I could still be rocking my OG Motorola Droid, there's just no way in hell that hardware could ever run Kit Kat.

    I don't mean for you to feel like we've left you in the dust, but we're full steam ahead on the new MK5 features right now and if we slow down to focus back on the MK4 we'll miss our deadlines and upset those users as well.

    Thanks Darren for the reply, and also for your awesome work on the tinterwebs.

    I understand what you're saying and appreciate your position also.

    It's my own fault for jumping on the MKIV bandwagon so late, without realising the MKV was mere weeks away haha :)

    Maybe I will check out the MKV soon then if it has a while left in it's life, I had nice dreams of making a PineappleCopter which it would be perfect for :)

    Did you get luck in finding competitive overseas Distributors yet?

    Cheers!

    My MKIV 3.0 experience so far...

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark IV

    Posted · Edited by Fira

    That's not true. Give it a little time..

    Are there any news ?

    No new Version ? No Bugfix ? No Improvement ?

    What does "a little time" mean ?

    Greez

    Hmmmm, yes.

    I have to be honest, it's a little disappointing that nothing has happened for the MKIV for over half a year.

    I understand it's a small team, and the MKV is the new Hak5 baby, but a little bit of MKIV action would be good about now!

    There are too many tech companies abandoning their products after a year or so of it being released.

    It's not a good trend.

    Also, another reason I didn't buy the MKV yet is because probably the MKVI will be out in X months, and I'm not a big fan of obsoleted equipment...

    *looks at drawer full of old smart phones and Pineapple MKIV*.

    RTL-SDR - RTL2832U - Software Defined Radio

    in Everything Else

    Posted · Edited by Fira

    First of all, I'd like to acknowledge that my recent interest in this type of research was born out of watching Darren's video interview with Renderman. So hat doffed, cheers guys!

    I found recently that a certain type of radio in some PC TV dongles (RTL2832U) can be used to watch more than free to air TV.

    I just ordered one for £7 on amazon, That's mindblowingly cheap.!

    $(KGrHqZ,!n4FBWW7i(4wBQbqI4YmMg~~60_35.J

    The idea is that you use these USB devices to look / listen to the radio waves being broadcast around you within a range of frequencies. It seems that within these frequencies, all the good stuff happens.

    guides:sdr2.png

    This is probably old news to a few of you, but that's cool, as I'd love to invite you all to discuss this here with me and everyone else here on why this is so cool and interesting, and perhaps help us all understand the possibilities of this cheap technology for learning and research purposes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqUPj852FFY

    Apart from all the applications that seem to be be here already for Windows and Linux (sorry OSX users!), there are other considerations too.. One of them would be fairly relevant to HAK5 in a way, as a need for the understanding of antennas is something a lot of us are interested in due to the pineapple.

    Of course there are plenty more devices which are more capable to do this, but at a cost increase.

    here is a couple of links that I have found wealthy in information.

    http://rtlsdr.org/

    http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr

    http://hackaday.com/?s=sdr

    http://www.reddit.com/r/rtlsdr

    One more thing....

    Someone made a way to use a DJ Controller as a way to control the interface of the software.

    http://www.dh1tw.de/powersdr-ui

    Now, that is awesome!

    RTL2832U

    DVB-T COFDM Demodulator + USB 2.0

    General Description
    The RTL2832U is a high-performance DVB-T COFDM demodulator that supports a USB 2.0 interface. The RTL2832U complies with NorDig Unified 1.0.3, D-Book 5.0, and EN300 744 (ETSI Specification). It supports 2K or 8K mode with 6, 7, and 8MHz bandwidth. Modulation parameters, e.g., code rate, and guard interval, are automatically detected.

    The RTL2832U supports tuners at IF (Intermediate Frequency, 36.125MHz), low-IF (4.57MHz), or Zero-IF output using a 28.8MHz crystal, and includes FM/DAB/DAB+ Radio Support. Embedded with an advanced ADC (Analog-to-Digital Converter), the RTL2832U features high stability in portable reception.

    The state-of-the-art RTL2832U features Realtek proprietary algorithms (patent-pending), including superior channel estimation, co-channel interface rejection, long echo channel reception, and impulse noise cancellation, and provides an ideal solution for a wide range of applications for PC-TV, such as USB dongle and MiniCard/USB, and embedded system via USB interface.


    Features
    COFDM complying with Nordig Unified 1.0.3, D-book 5.0, and ETSI 300-744
    Supports multiple IF frequencies (4.57MHz or 36.167MHz) and spectrum inversion
    Includes Radio Support (FM/DAB/DAB+)
    Includes ISDB-T(SBTVD-T) 1-Seg
    Supports Zero-IF input
    Single low-cost crystal for clock generation (±100ppm)
    Automatic transmission mode and guard interval detection
    Impulse noise cancellation circuits
    Automatic carrier recovery over a wide range offset (±800KHz)
    Superior performance with pre/post/long echo profiles
    Embedded adjacent and co-channel interference rejection circuit
    Delayed AGC with programmable Take-Over Point (TOP)
    7-bit ADC for RF signals level measurement
    Hardware MPEG-2 PID filters
    Infra-red port for remote control and wake-up, protocols supported are:
    Microsoft RC6 protocol
    NEC, Sony, SIRC, RC-5 protocol
    Eight general purpose I/O ports
    USB 2.0 Interface
    Supports USB Full/High speed
    Configurable vendor information via external EEPROM
    Passes USB-IF certification
    Signal 3.3V external power is required
    48-pin QFN (6x6 mm2) Green Package
    Applications
    Portable DTV device
    USB dongle
    MiniCard

    My MKIV 3.0 experience so far...

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark IV

    Posted · Edited by Fira

    Thanks for your reply :)

    I feel your frustration. I do.

    I haven't done any more testing on it recently, however I have been using it to extend the range of my home network.

    (Unfortunately not in any kind of bridge or repeater mode, just using ICS from my kali laptop to make a sub network).

    I haven't given up on it though. Seb has hinted that there is more to come for the MKIV, and I will wait patiently to see what that might be.

    A lot of people have bashed the pineapple team, and whilst the frustration is understood by me, I think a lot of the comments that are being thrown about are a bit unfair at times. (eg : whether the pineapple is a "product" or "project" yadda yadda yadda).

    I did notice that one of the things that people were complaining about was the fact that "jasager" was still in the promotional material as an advertised working feature / selling point of the MKIV when it was in a non working state for some devices (although it still works on some other older devices). As far as I can see, that reference has been removed / downplayed for the MKV. This alteration in promotional material is right and fair I think.

    I kind of do want to eventually buy a MKV, however, not until it is available in europe from a european distributer. I believe that the pineapple team are looking into that. Customs charges seem to be unfair and unpredictable from the US in all accounts. Seems that the couriers like to hold end users to some random ransom.

    I would love it if the pineapple team would elaborate on what is still to come for the MKIV though. ;)

    customs charges?

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark V

    Posted

    Thanks for the heads up. I'm re-evaluating our options. Aside from EMS (Post) is there a carrier preference among the international crowd?

    I think in the UK the main ones are : DHL, Parcelforce and TNT.

    Then there is also the Royal Mail.

    Hope that helps!

    USB Mass Storage Problem

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark IV

    Posted

    Do not format the partitions with ext4. For your main storage, I would suggest ext2, and dont even format the second partition, that's what mkswap is for.

    Not to mention, /dev/sda2 is what your computer reads it as, doesn't mean that's what it is for the pineapple ;).

    this is interesting. The guides I saw said both should be formatted to ext4.

    is there a reason it is better to use ext2 instead?

    Memory Shortage

    in WiFi Pineapple Mark IV

    Posted · Edited by Fira

    when you made the swap file, after editing the USB fstab did you Issue "mkswap /dev/sda2" and then reboot?

    edit

    check your swap partition is actually sda2... not sure if I read somewhere that some USB sticks have different partition names other than default... Check it isn't sdb2 or something...

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