Tks Digip for responding, I have been reading the forums for the last few hours but not really finding exactly what I am looking for and googling for a couple of hours before that, I got to get a life I guess lol and I am beginning to think I have to rethink my searches. I will admit I did run across alot of good info on other topics that I will use but wasn't looking for which always seems to be the way, alot of very smart people on here and a few very stupid ones for not following advice given to them.