not to be redundant or whiny but just for a different perspective...
I'm running BitDefender9 and it caught three immediately upon inserting the device: mailpv, pspv, mspass (using MADs version)
and obviously just two: pspv and mspass with Silivs version (since there is no mailpv).
dunno if this helps or was pointless but i sure hope people keep working on this
props to all the people who can do this kind of stuff
me = noob so hello to everyone too