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Good point, I would think that would limited you and also would take it away from ''hacker'' since the defination of that is pretty much knowledge of how things work. So if you could not make it would would not be able to unmake it in a sense?

Very helpful replay's thank you. I also assumed that any ''hacker'' would be able to make anything he breaks into so he knows how it works.

I read the FAQ and most of the sites are good and watched allot of videos on them. As for backtrack i am reading and testing the tools one by one tell I have a general understanding of how they work and when to use them. As far as my machine goes, if you mean hardware I have built each one myself. If you mean OS and all that comes with it, I know allot of tricks for each OS and ways of fixing it. I did IT for 2 years so that help me allot with system itself. Like to thank all the people that didn't go and flame, like said just trying to learn and wanted to make sure the way I was going is correct.

Thanks for post, I knew backtrack had all of the tools in one place and figured most of it is just learning how to use tools and when to use the tools. I am working on learning python atm so making programs will come in time.

You laughed at google, so I assume you truly don't know how to use it. You linked me to cert sites which just teach you how to past a test, and you avoid answering even a little. I am guessing you know as little as me when it comes down to it if not less. Don't try to act like you know more then you do with post that say nothing but try to look as if they do.

The title was to bring people in cause most people like to flame and or laugh at these threads. Now before you get your flamers ready please read the post. This post is more of a theory rather then please make me 1337!?!. So I want to start to learn ethical hacking and just want to make sure my theory on learning is correct. Learn to... Hide yourself - Can't hide yourself won't last long -Using public wifi -Securing public wifi -Mac spoofing -Mac cloning -? Find targets - Can't find someone can't make money -Google -News paper -TV -? Find info on targets - Genral information to help you with next stop -Google -Social Engineering -Dumpster Diving -Company website (if they have it) -? Connect - Need to find a way in and then how to employ it -? Stop alerts and not cause them - Need to stay in -? Get past logins - Might be needed for info or files etc -(X) Brute forcer -? Find/get info you need on machines - For proof there systems were not secure -CMD -Shell Employ a backdoor - Encase you need to show them something and need a fast way in -Self made -? Clean tracks of any trace to you - If they can find you then you are not going get paid as much, they will see it as Well they might gotten in but we can caught them. -Script that log ins to routers and clears logs -Some basic computer cleaner (CCleaner) -? Submit report to company - If you can not submit it in a none tech terminology they will not understand and might Effect your business -English classes :P -PowerPoint knowledge -? Clean up anything left behind - Backdoor / wire mess / computers / passwords that you might of changed etc. -Detailed logs of what you did on the system and what you used in the testing -? This is in order of how I would see you would audit a company and find a company to audit. I would love some books or links to info for on the subjects that I listed if they are correct. I do not want to be spoon feed, I have no problem putting in time to read and test. I do not think there are magical hacking 1 hit OMGOWNZ!?!! ZOMG1337?!! Linux distros or tools. I believe that people that do this never stop learning and work very hard to gain and keep up with the knowledge that is needed to be able to have this skill set. I understand if I get flamed or if I get no feed back at all. This is something most people don't like to help answer because of the skipt kiddies that are out there. Like I said I am just looking for books or info on what area I should be looking for and if the things I listed under the areas is correct or in the right ball park.