Coming into this from a non-computer background I think I just jumped into the deep end of the pool :) I have to say that if nothing else the CEH has been a great way for teaching me how to teach myself (or at least use the internet more effectively). Ironically, after venting my frustration I was successful using a different methodology. As you said before, sometimes one thought can trigger another. I really appreciate the coding advice though. I think there is a lot of ground for me to cover before I dive into another cert.