cooper Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 A researcher at the University of Texas is managing to get drones to navigated in the direction he wants them to by providing them with a spoofed GPS signal. Back in 2013 he did something similar to a big yacht as can be read in this article (with video).Pretty nifty stuff and I didn't find anything here on the forums discussing it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digip Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I wonder if this effects things like the GPS on our phones and car navigation equipment, since this could lead to all kinds of interference if people can gain access to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry99705 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I wonder if this effects things like the GPS on our phones and car navigation equipment, since this could lead to all kinds of interference if people can gain access to it. I would think it would. Even if they're using a highly directional antenna, it's still going to fuzz someone in that general direction a little. May throw off their gps, or just make it quit working, no lock or whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 In the case of the boat they can't suddenly change the GPS coordinates such that the boat, as far as GPS is concerned, instantly moved to Austria. That would probably cause the autopilot to scream bloody hell. The 3 degrees off is probably within the safety margin of the boat which the navigation computer is designed to address without any fuss. In the case of the drone, I don't think this limitation exists and the drone is likely to just consider its waypoint way, WAY out of range. In this situation you should simply not use that option for your drone. For peoples' GPS, I can imagine your car going apeshit for a second and then suddenly show you driving in, say, the middle of the ocean. You'd be puzzled for a bit but to go somewhere other than where you wanted to go, there would have to be a few more factors at play and a certain amount of overlap in routes for 2 very different cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry99705 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 In the case of the boat they can't suddenly change the GPS coordinates such that the boat, as far as GPS is concerned, instantly moved to Austria. That would probably cause the autopilot to scream bloody hell. The 3 degrees off is probably within the safety margin of the boat which the navigation computer is designed to address without any fuss. In the case of the drone, I don't think this limitation exists and the drone is likely to just consider its waypoint way, WAY out of range. In this situation you should simply not use that option for your drone. For peoples' GPS, I can imagine your car going apeshit for a second and then suddenly show you driving in, say, the middle of the ocean. You'd be puzzled for a bit but to go somewhere other than where you wanted to go, there would have to be a few more factors at play and a certain amount of overlap in routes for 2 very different cities. With a boat they could just skew the position slowly over time. With no real landmarks it would (should) work to throw it way off course over time, like overnight. You could also throw off agricultural gps autopilots doing the same thing. They're not following a road, just a grid on the field. They have a driver backup though, mostly to do slight (inch here and there) corrections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overwraith Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I am thinking about the possible amazon drone delivery program. All roads lead to my house. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 People have been spoofing GPS for years, its a fine way to get yourself arrested in the UK, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overwraith Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) People have been spoofing GPS for years, its a fine way to get yourself arrested in the UK, lol hmmm. Well won't be doing that without some research into relevant laws first. Thanks for the heads up. Previous post was really just meant as an insightful joke. Edited February 21, 2015 by overwraith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitenoise Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 The topic is quite interesting, by the way it is not too hard to prevent such attacks. Have a look at this paper: http://www.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/gps4/Wen_Spoof.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 Fascinating read. Though from their conclussion [sic]: As a result of this research, we believe that a GPS spoof is not formidable because it can be detected very easily and the authentic signal can be recovered in some cases. However, if nothing is done, the GPS receiver is vulnerable to spoof attack. So, not so much 'not too hard to prevent' but rather 'not too hard to detect, which is something rather different. Thanks for finding that paper though. I wasn't aware people were already researching this way back in 2004(!). Note: That year wasn't in the document, but Wikipedia says that's the publishing date, which will do for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manouche Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I notice that pdf http://www.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/gps4/Wen_Spoof.pdf has been removed! I wonder if its because of attention from this community! Anyone got a copy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Since that was a direct quote which I specified, googling that exact line gave me this which is indeed the contents of that PDF. Here's a *WAY* better link to that paper in .doc format. Edited March 2, 2015 by Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sud0nick Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) As far as radio controlled quads go once it flies out of range of the transmitter the GPS will override its path and a new flight path will be taken back to the home location (speaking in terms of the NAZA-M V2 flight controller and the compass/GPS system that comes with it). Of course once the auto return feature has kicked in there is nothing to prevent a second spoofing attack from taking it right back off course again unless if the flight controller would possibly recognize the new coordinates are not the same as the home location. I'm not sure where it stores the coordinates of the home location and if those would be overwritten by a spoofing attack. Edited March 2, 2015 by sud0nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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